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Why am I paying Employers NI?
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ERS is 13.8% above the secondary threshold (£758.00 per month), then 2% above the Upper Earnings Limit if applicable (£4189.00 per month), all based on the reverse calculation for the taxable salary from the assignment rate. -
Originally posted by Olly View Post
Thanks, Hmmm I wonder what's going on - another month my income was £8700 and the employers NI was £947.31 - how did that happen if it's 0% above £4189 threshold?
£8700 fee income gives gross salary of £7622.58
£7622.58 less £758 (Lower Earnings Limit) gives £6684.58, and 13.8% of this is £947.31
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Originally posted by Olly View Post
Thanks, Hmmm I wonder what's going on - another month my income was £8700 and the employers NI was £947.31 - how did that happen if it's 0% above £4189 threshold?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Protagoras View Post
I put this into my model for monthly umbrella income and the results were as follows
Gross Contract Income £ 6,525.00 Holiday Pay £ 188.65 LLW Salary £ 1,792.50 Bonus Salary £ 5,531.03 Gross Total Salary £ 5,719.69 Apprenticeship Levy £ 28.60 Employer NI £ 684.71 Employee NI £ 593.22 Umbrella Margin £ 92.00 Total NI + Apprentice £ 1,306.53 Bonus Pension £ - Total Pension £ -
The Employer's NI calculated as follows ...
Employer NI From To Rate Differential Amount Tax Lower Earnings Limit £ - £ 758.00 0.00% 0.00% £ 5,719.69 £ - Secondary Threshold £ 758.00 £ 4,189.00 13.80% 13.80% £ 4,961.69 £ 684.71 Upper Limit £ 4,189.00 13.80% 0.00% £ 1,530.69 £ - £ - £ 684.71 Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Protagoras View Post
PS - This has nothing to do with being 'inside' IR35 or otherwise. The calculation is the same for folks working 'outside' IR35 and being paid via an umbrella company.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Olly View PostI'm a bit confused (for a change)
I was told on here that inside IR35 I should expect an apprenticeship levy of 0.5% and Employer's NI of 13.8% - so a total of 14.3%Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Olly View PostI'm a bit confused (for a change)
I was told on here that inside IR35 I should expect an apprenticeship levy of 0.5% and Employer's NI of 13.8% - so a total of 14.3%
My income was £6525 with an umbrella margin of £92 leaving £6433.
The employer's NI the umbrella deducted was £684.71 and the levy £28.6
That looks like 10.6% NI not 13.8%
What am I doing wrong please?The Employer's NI calculated as follows ...Gross Contract Income £ 6,525.00 Holiday Pay £ 188.65 LLW Salary £ 1,792.50 Bonus Salary £ 5,531.03 Gross Total Salary £ 5,719.69 Apprenticeship Levy £ 28.60 Employer NI £ 684.71 Employee NI £ 407.53 Umbrella Margin £ 92.00 Bonus Pension £ - Total Pension £ - Employer NI From To Rate Differential Amount Tax Lower Earnings Limit £ - £ 758.00 0.00% 0.00% £ 5,719.69 £ - Secondary Threshold £ 758.00 £ 4,189.00 13.80% 13.80% £ 4,961.69 £ 684.71 Upper Limit £ 4,189.00 13.80% 0.00% £ 1,530.69 £ - £ - £ 684.71 Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Olly View PostI'm a bit confused (for a change)
I was told on here that inside IR35 I should expect an apprenticeship levy of 0.5% and Employer's NI of 13.8% - so a total of 14.3%
My income was £6525 with an umbrella margin of £92 leaving £6433.
The employer's NI the umbrella deducted was £684.71 and the levy £28.6
That looks like 10.6% NI not 13.8%
What am I doing wrong please?
The end calculation (from memory looks something like)
salary=6433+(weeks*24.15)/1.143
employer NI=salary*0.138
apprenticeship levy=salary *.005
that £24.15 is a trick (and I may have it slightly wrong) to fix the employer NI allowanceLast edited by eek; 1 October 2023, 08:36.Leave a comment:
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I'm a bit confused (for a change)
I was told on here that inside IR35 I should expect an apprenticeship levy of 0.5% and Employer's NI of 13.8% - so a total of 14.3%
My income was £6525 with an umbrella margin of £92 leaving £6433.
The employer's NI the umbrella deducted was £684.71 and the levy £28.6
That looks like 10.6% NI not 13.8%
What am I doing wrong please?
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Originally posted by BB8 View PostHi all,
Sorry to jump in, but noticed the sticky thread and am in need of some advice.
Could anyone explain (in very simple terms) why when I try to calculate employers NIC I cant get the same figure as my umbrella does?
I am taking the gross pay (after margin and apprenticeship levy etc) and multiplying by 0.138 (for 21-22 tax year), but this is about a hundred pounds off what the umbrella states?
Could some help me understand what is happening here, as it seems similar for a few umbrellas.
Thanks in advance!
as don’t forget you don’t pay any employer no on the first £175 a weekLeave a comment:
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