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The end of I.T. jobs in the U.K.

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  • elsergiovolador
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    Originally posted by Paralytic View Post
    "Still the case"? References to where it was the case please. Or have they managed to hide this from everyone except you?
    Never heard of it?

    Posted workers abroad on short assignments - Your Europe

    They usually work in 5-6 months turns so they don't have to pay tax in the host country.

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  • jainnode
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    Originally posted by Paralytic View Post
    "Still the case"? References to where it was the case please. Or have they managed to hide this from everyone except you?
    The sky is a different colour on Elsie the Gladiator's planet.

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  • Paralytic
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    Originally posted by elsergiovolador View Post
    Isn't that still the case that mainstream banks would get workers posted from the EU or other countries where labour is cheap, put them in hostels and then bus them to office every morning and offload to a hostel in the evening for a few months and then replace with a new set?
    Workers are paid by their home country company plus get some pocket money to buy food and go out once a week.
    "Still the case"? References to where it was the case please. Or have they managed to hide this from everyone except you?

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  • elsergiovolador
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
    Laptop lids closed at 5pm? Sounds like one of those "do as my employer says" dead end jobs that roger was banging on about. The London banking scene is hardly mainstream London or mainstream London office work. Chuckle. I recall that crowd from uni - massive old boys network, full of tremendous tossers. It's probably better that they're off the streets of a weekday
    Isn't that still the case that mainstream banks would get workers posted from the EU or other countries where labour is cheap, put them in hostels and then bus them to office every morning and offload to a hostel in the evening for a few months and then replace with a new set?
    Workers are paid by their home country company plus get some pocket money to buy food and go out once a week.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View Post
    The company I’m working from has announced working from home forever - lease on HQ runs out in June, some people 10% can go in until then if they want

    Saves approx £15K per person per year for the company (yes it’s in the city , so not up north plucking chicken feathers)

    Saves each employee on average nearly £8K in commuting and associated costs (a few chaps were £18K)

    Saves 14 hours again on average in commuting time (company insist laptop lids close at 5pm exactly)

    What’s not to like for majority in London
    Laptop lids closed at 5pm? Sounds like one of those "do as my employer says" dead end jobs that roger was banging on about. The London banking scene is hardly mainstream London or mainstream London office work. Chuckle. I recall that crowd from uni - massive old boys network, full of tremendous tossers. It's probably better that they're off the streets of a weekday

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  • GhostofTarbera
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
    Again, waffle and anecdote. You can dream all you like about a future without commuting, but the vast majority of office workers will be back in their offices when Covid is over. Many office workers are low-paid, semi-skilled, workers. Above them, plenty of “professionals” languish in “do as my employer says“, dead end jobs. Contracting for financial services companies in the square mile is not representative of office work (or, indeed, IT contracting), as I said at the outset. If you want to WFH permanently, you’ll need a niche skillset (not an average IT skillset) or an evening class in bohemian finger painting and IPSE membership.
    The company I’m working from has announced working from home forever - lease on HQ runs out in June, some people 10% can go in until then if they want

    Saves approx £15K per person per year for the company (yes it’s in the city , so not up north plucking chicken feathers)

    Saves each employee on average nearly £8K in commuting and associated costs (a few chaps were £18K)

    Saves 14 hours again on average in commuting time (company insist laptop lids close at 5pm exactly)

    What’s not to like for majority in London




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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by rogerfederer View Post
    You're picking and choosing what you like.

    People who were furloughed are indeed now back in workplaces. Those in well paid jobs, on the other hand, aren't. It's those that are most similar to the work we do, even for different industries. I am personally not fussed if factory workers are back at work now having been furloughed before. Those people don't work in canary wharf or expensive city office locations.

    The focus here is cities changing shape. It's definitely going to happen. I and others I know won't be going back to random offices just because a client may think they want us to. Driving for two hours in traffic jams or other waste of time and life is stupid and not conducive to a better working future.

    If you fancy changing careers to a low paid "do as my employer says" job then you can join the 50% you mention. Ultimately I know of not a single person in a professional job who is currently back in the office. Government leads too: The Scottish Government offices are still closed up here and so professional companies are taking that lead as an indicator of safety.
    Again, waffle and anecdote. You can dream all you like about a future without commuting, but the vast majority of office workers will be back in their offices when Covid is over. Many office workers are low-paid, semi-skilled, workers. Above them, plenty of “professionals” languish in “do as my employer says“, dead end jobs. Contracting for financial services companies in the square mile is not representative of office work (or, indeed, IT contracting), as I said at the outset. If you want to WFH permanently, you’ll need a niche skillset (not an average IT skillset) or an evening class in bohemian finger painting and IPSE membership.

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  • rogerfederer
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
    You're making a waffly claim based on a personal anecdote. I'll go with the ONS, even if it's for workers in general.
    You're picking and choosing what you like.

    People who were furloughed are indeed now back in workplaces. Those in well paid jobs, on the other hand, aren't. It's those that are most similar to the work we do, even for different industries. I am personally not fussed if factory workers are back at work now having been furloughed before. Those people don't work in canary wharf or expensive city office locations.

    The focus here is cities changing shape. It's definitely going to happen. I and others I know won't be going back to random offices just because a client may think they want us to. Driving for two hours in traffic jams or other waste of time and life is stupid and not conducive to a better working future.

    If you fancy changing careers to a low paid "do as my employer says" job then you can join the 50% you mention. Ultimately I know of not a single person in a professional job who is currently back in the office. Government leads too: The Scottish Government offices are still closed up here and so professional companies are taking that lead as an indicator of safety.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by jayn200 View Post
    Yes okay then go on thinking 50% of office workers are back to the office full time, good luck with that.
    Good luck with your waffling anecdotes. The numbers are increasing and they will increase further when schools are back. Everyone is always so eager to predict a revolution, but the reality is that things will probably revert to the way they were (with a speed depending on the virus).

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  • mjcp
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    Related recent research...

    el Reg survey into remote working / return to normal. Linky -> the Reg

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