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Originally posted by BoredBloke View PostFair enough - only going off what Clarkson said! I would have thought it would be a contact area of 0 instead of o i.e. bigger on the wider tyre
Clarkson is a journo who likes cars, he know's feck all about physics!
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Originally posted by gingerjedi View PostWide tyres don't give more grip as the contact area is the same for a given PSI, they're used on race cars as they don't heat up and get destroyed as easily as a narrower tyres allowing softer compounds.
A quick google says the Prius has 185/65/15's whilst the the GT86 has 215/45/17's which is a fairly wide low profile tyre anyway, I'm guessing the similarity has more to do with a hard compound rather than the size.
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Wide tyres don't give more grip as the contact area is the same for a given PSI, they're used on race cars as they don't heat up and get destroyed as easily as a narrower tyres allowing softer compounds.
A quick google says the Prius has 185/65/15's whilst the the GT86 has 215/45/17's which is a fairly wide low profile tyre anyway, I'm guessing the similarity has more to do with a hard compound rather than the size.
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many pro drivers will use computer games to learn tracks - GT is the favorite but does not have all tracks...
on the subject of the GT86 not a bad car... but as others have said there are plenty of cheaper options for some back end slidey fun.
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Well of course. I never said it was identical, only that one can provide skills useful in the other.
From memory Jez concluded it wasn't that the game was 'easier' as much as he didn't dare drive the same way in real life. He had exactly the same when they had that Lotus 'home F1' car, he knew where the braking point was but didn't dare brake that late!
Kids with no fear on the other hand, might do better - as that article suggested.
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostSimulators can never reproduce the G forces, or the balance. It's not like experiencing the real thing, even though it may be pretty accurate in the way it responds to inputs. I've done a fair few trackdays (although I've gone off it a bit), but I've never had any interest in driving games. It doesn't even begin to compare.
F1 drivers don't train on simulators, but use simulators to test things as they aren't allowed to do much real testing. In fact, it's mostly the test drivers (who are real racing drivers too) that do the simulator work. But if you follow F1 you know that the teams often turn up at a race track with parts that the simulator and wind tunnel say are better, and then find that they're slower.
And yes, Jezza was much slower on the track than he was in the game.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostOf course it can. It's a driving simulator, hook it up to a decent force-feedback steering wheel and what exactly is your problem? Driving line, drifting, over/under-steer, all these basic things you would not normally get to experience on a regular road.
Computer games have moved on rather a lot since your day I expect. Again, that's why F1 drivers train on them. They even had a TopGear episode where Clarkson used it to learn a track before driving on it.
F1 drivers don't train on simulators, but use simulators to test things as they aren't allowed to do much real testing. In fact, it's mostly the test drivers (who are real racing drivers too) that do the simulator work. But if you follow F1 you know that the teams often turn up at a race track with parts that the simulator and wind tunnel say are better, and then find that they're slower.
And yes, Jezza was much slower on the track than he was in the game.
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostIt's fitted with the same tyres as the Prius. Do you think the Prius is fitted with tyres that promote the back end sliding out?
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostOf course it can. It's a driving simulator, hook it up to a decent force-feedback steering wheel and what exactly is your problem? Driving line, drifting, over/under-steer, all these basic things you would not normally get to experience on a regular road.
Computer games have moved on rather a lot since your day I expect. Again, that's why F1 drivers train on them. They even had a TopGear episode where Clarkson used it to learn a track before driving on it.
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Originally posted by rhubarb View PostSeriously ? Where is this advert ? Toyota website says it has great handling, doesn't mention powerslides.
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