Reply to: "It's all f****** lies, it's all f****** lies"!!!

[Doggy Styles]

"Gordon Brown has announced the first increase in direct taxation since he became chancellor five years ago.

In a big political gamble, he will use a 1p in the pound hike in National Insurance contributions to pay for the UK's biggest ever increase in health service funding.

The increase on both employer and employee NI contributions will go towards a £40bn rise in NHS spending over five years."

Source: BBC NEWS | Politics | Tax bills rise to boost NHS

They got elected 2nd time on that platform - saving NHS.

And if you remember it was pointed out at the time that NICs were not for the NHS, it was a tactic by Brown to avoid putting up income tax.

Form the government's own webtulipe: "You pay National Insurance contributions to build up your entitlement to certain state benefits, including the State Pension."

However, as Bunk says it all ends up in one pot anyway.

[AtW]

I thought NICs were to fund pensions and welfare, not the NHS.

"Gordon Brown has announced the first increase in direct taxation since he became chancellor five years ago.

In a big political gamble, he will use a 1p in the pound hike in National Insurance contributions to pay for the UK's biggest ever increase in health service funding.

The increase on both employer and employee NI contributions will go towards a £40bn rise in NHS spending over five years."

Source: BBC NEWS | Politics | Tax bills rise to boost NHS

They got elected 2nd time on that platform - saving NHS.

[Bunk]

I thought NICs were to fund pensions and welfare, not the NHS.

I thought it all went into a big pot with the rest of the tax. Then they take what they want and if there's anything left they spend it on us

[Doggy Styles]

No, but NIC paid by employee and employer should be able to fund some of those drugs for sure - if anything having prescription charges invalidates promise of free NHS: people who already pay taxes to keep it going should not be paying anything extra when they finally have to use said services.

I thought NICs were to fund pensions and welfare, not the NHS.

[AtW]

If public sector didn't make a loss, we wouldn't have to pay taxes to fund it. You think your £7.65 prescription charge pays for the cost of medicine on the NHS?

No, but NIC paid by employee and employer should be able to fund some of those drugs for sure - if anything having prescription charges invalidates promise of free NHS: people who already pay taxes to keep it going should not be paying anything extra when they finally have to use said services.

[d000hg]

True, but they are not suppose to be loss making either. But there again, it is the Public Sector. If they make a loss, hike up the prices and continue to make a loss.

If public sector didn't make a loss, we wouldn't have to pay taxes to fund it. You think your £7.65 prescription charge pays for the cost of medicine on the NHS?

[Zoiderman]

True, but they are not suppose to be loss making either. But there again, it is the Public Sector. If they make a loss, hike up the prices and continue to make a loss.

Eh? Of course some are loss making, and would never derive a profit. Again, your view is being clouded by hatred again.

[pmeswani]

Public services aren't supposed to be profitable.

True, but they are not suppose to be loss making either. But there again, it is the Public Sector. If they make a loss, hike up the prices and continue to make a loss.

[d000hg]

It's a failure as it costs more to maintain than what it brings in.

Public services aren't supposed to be profitable.

[Zoiderman]

Hate to say it, but without the Barclays Sponsorship, there is no Bike Scheme. Therefore it is part privatised. Isn't it ironic how only Barclays are allowed to sponsor the Bike Scheme? It isn't clutching at straws, but mere fact.



The same could be said about Boris. And Boris has a habit of not allowing people to finish their sentance and bending the facts to suit his needs. All politicians are the same. I wonder when Boris will have a nasty accident on a bike.

They are mutually exclusive. The bike scheme exists, and then sponsorship is applied to it.

Of all the stupid things I have read on this board, this is right up there

[Bunk]

Hate to say it, but without the Barclays Sponsorship, there is no Bike Scheme. Therefore it is part privatised. Isn't it ironic how only Barclays are allowed to sponsor the Bike Scheme? It isn't clutching at straws, but mere fact.



The same could be said about Boris. And Boris has a habit of not allowing people to finish their sentance and bending the facts to suit his needs. All politicians are the same. I wonder when Boris will have a nasty accident on a bike.

How is sponsorship the same as privatisation? Does that mean that because the tube and buses carry adverts that they're privatised?

[pmeswani]

Sponsored, is not funding, it is paying for adverts. That money possibly goes towards the funding, but it isn't funded by the private sector, not in a million years. This is another for your 'straws' and 'clutching' issue.

Hate to say it, but without the Barclays Sponsorship, there is no Bike Scheme. Therefore it is part privatised. Isn't it ironic how only Barclays are allowed to sponsor the Bike Scheme? It isn't clutching at straws, but mere fact.

Ken would bin everything that Boris has done, regardless of merit, as he's an arrogant cock of the highest order, and it would be his way of marking his territory. I hope he has a nasty accident on the tube

The same could be said about Boris. And Boris has a habit of not allowing people to finish their sentance and bending the facts to suit his needs. All politicians are the same. I wonder when Boris will have a nasty accident on a bike.

[Bunk]

Sponsored, is not funding, it is paying for adverts. That money possibly goes towards the funding, but it isn't funded by the private sector, not in a million years. This is another for your 'straws' and 'clutching' issue.

Ken would bin everything that Boris has done, regardless of merit, as he's an arrogant cock of the highest order, and it would be his way of marking his territory. I hope he has a nasty accident under a tube

FTFY

[Doggy Styles]

Ken would bin everything that Boris has done, regardless of merit, as he's an arrogant cock of the highest order, and it would be his way of marking his territory. I hope he has a nasty accident on the tube

Ken will also reduce tube fares.

He's got a money tree to fund it.

[Zoiderman]

Isn't Barclays a sponsor for the Bike Scheme?

As Barclays sponsor the Bike Scheme, I consider it a part funded by the private Sector. I wonder if Barclays Insurance covers any fatalities for any accidents surrounding the use of the Boris Bikes.

Sponsored, is not funding, it is paying for adverts. That money possibly goes towards the funding, but it isn't funded by the private sector, not in a million years. This is another for your 'straws' and 'clutching' issue.

Ken would bin everything that Boris has done, regardless of merit, as he's an arrogant cock of the highest order, and it would be his way of marking his territory. I hope he has a nasty accident on the tube