Reply to: Melanie Philips - what a moron.

[Cliphead]

Absolute rubbish, he was struck off for rocking the boat, and the unforgiveable sin of jeopardizing the NHS budget by scaring people away from triple vaccines. Even if no link is ever proved, he was absolutely right to investigate the possibility in the way he did, if official avenues for research were deliberately closed to him as I'm sure they were.



If he had done exactly that in the course of research on passive smoking, or some equally trendy and approved medical obsession, everyone would have applauded his enterprise.



I'd be quite happy to have him as my doctor.

Another idiot who believes what he reads in the press. Try thinking for yourself for a change it can actually be quite enlightening. Even better conduct some real research into the topics you support so enthusiastically.

[minestrone]

Absolute rubbish, he was struck off for rocking the boat, and the unforgiveable sin of jeopardizing the NHS budget by scaring people away from triple vaccines. Even if no link is ever proved, he was absolutely right to investigate the possibility in the way he did, if official avenues for research were deliberately closed to him as I'm sure they were.



If he had done exactly that in the course of research on passive smoking, or some equally trendy and approved medical obsession, everyone would have applauded his enterprise.



I'd be quite happy to have him as my doctor.

It was nothing to do with the NHS, you obviously do not understand that it was the GMC who chucked him out.

His research consisted of nothing more than asking 12 sets of parents if they thought their child's autism started after the MMR vaccine. The trial was not blind, there was no control group, his subjects were selected by him and much of it was from opinion. It would have failed a school maths project.

Despite the fact that there have been trials of using data from millions of children to prove the vaccine does not cause autism half wits like you are still none the wiser.

I don't know how some people get on in life displaying such stupidity. Honestly, how do you do it?

[EternalOptimist]

wow , this is waayy better than mumsnet

[sasguru]

Absolute rubbish, he was struck off for rocking the boat, and the unforgiveable sin of jeopardizing the NHS budget by scaring people away from triple vaccines. Even if no link is ever proved, he was absolutely right to investigate the possibility in the way he did, if official avenues for research were deliberately closed to him as I'm sure they were.



If he had done exactly that in the course of research on passive smoking, or some equally trendy and approved medical obsession, everyone would have applauded his enterprise.



I'd be quite happy to have him as my doctor.

What a pile of absolute sh1te.
One can only wish he was your doctor, it would be Darwinian selection at work.

[sasguru]

I am of the opinion that if you want to review a drug in the press you should be a doctor.

Actually doctors are relatively poorly trained in evidence-based medicine - which is the new watchword.
I'd rather a trained statistician reviewed the evidence from clinical trials of any drug.

[OwlHoot]

She mentioned that he will never be allowed to practice medicine in this country again because he has been found to be incompetent, dangerous and irresponsible. He was struck off for these reasons.

Absolute rubbish, he was struck off for rocking the boat, and the unforgiveable sin of jeopardizing the NHS budget by scaring people away from triple vaccines. Even if no link is ever proved, he was absolutely right to investigate the possibility in the way he did, if official avenues for research were deliberately closed to him as I'm sure they were.

Paying children at a party to provide blood samples for his research is just madness.

If he had done exactly that in the course of research on passive smoking, or some equally trendy and approved medical obsession, everyone would have applauded his enterprise.

Perhaps some of the members of the forum would like to have him as their family doctor.

I'd be quite happy to have him as my doctor.

[minestrone]

Bad Science by Ben Goldacre should be required reading.

Read about that book just now including the chapter he was not allowed to publish.

http://www.badscience.net/files/The-...ue-You-Now.pdf

Good reading.

I am of the opinion that if you want to review a drug in the press you should be a doctor, stop the press running with "zyban, tell your doctor to get you on this now" then 6 months down the line "zyban, why was this drug ever allowed?" which happened in most papers.

I think I mentioned on this thread (might have been another) that if you shouted fire in a packed cinema and the panic caused a death you would be banged up. Children have died because of Wakefield and the press.

[minestrone]

I mentioned this thread over dinner tonight and the woman has nothing less than complete hatred of Wakefield and the press on this topic.

She mentioned that he will never be allowed to practice medicine in this country again because he has been found to be incompetent, dangerous and irresponsible. He was struck off for these reasons. Paying children at a party to provide blood samples for his research is just madness.

Perhaps some of the members of the forum would like to have him as their family doctor. I doubt I would. Each to their own.

[shaunbhoy]

The CUK thicko has just piped up from the back of the class again.
Its as if he's desperate to for everyone to know what a moron he is, bit like Suity couldn't help revealing what a bedwetter he was.

Just can't help biting can you sas? So easy!
Bullied at school I expect.

[sasguru]

But if anyone can pull it off.........sasguru is your man.
sasguru...........pushing the boundaries of stupidity for decades!!

The CUK thicko has just piped up from the back of the class again.
Its as if he's desperate to for everyone to know what a moron he is, bit like Suity couldn't help revealing what a bedwetter he was.

[shaunbhoy]

I doubt that medical opinion is shifting. No one is claiming that the MMR jab is 100% safe - such a drug or vaccine simply does not exist.
What I have a problem with is that the conclusion and the wording used suggest that statistical analysis was involved and that is not the case. Of the 3 in judgement, 2 agreed and 1 didn't.
It is shocking but not surprising that such judgemnets are made by people without the training to understand what and what doesn't constitute evidence.

Put your teeth back in before typing Gramps!!

[sasguru]

So do you have a problem with the semantics of this press release, or that the underlying medical opinion around the MMR jab may be shifting?

I doubt that medical opinion is shifting. No one is claiming that the MMR jab is 100% safe - such a drug or vaccine simply does not exist.
What I have a problem with is that the conclusion and the wording used suggest that statistical analysis was involved and that is not the case. Of the 3 in judgement, 2 agreed and 1 didn't.
It is shocking but not surprising that such judgemnets are made by people without the training to understand what and what doesn't constitute evidence.

[minestrone]

So should this

I am told that on a Saturday night in A&E you will know what the script of casualty contained as there will be a flood of people arriving at the desk with all the problems of that night’s show around 9.

Wakefield was guilty of practicing shockingly bad medicine and was kicked out for that and actions caused untold misery for children of idiots who think 10 minutes on the internet gives them the ability to second guess a trained doctor.

2 cheeks on the same arse.

[OwlHoot]

Bad Science by Ben Goldacre should be required reading.

So should this

[Mich the Tester]

Bad Science by Ben Goldacre should be required reading.

this too