Reply to: The trial of Tony Bliar

[Lambros]

Today Blair warns against Scottish independence; ‘Crazy and incredibly regressive step’
By: AFP on: 18.01.2007
Quote:
Blair warns against Scottish independence; ‘Crazy and incredibly regressive step’

The BBC poll, which questioned 883 adults in England, 543 in Scotland and 527 in Wales, also indicated that 61 percent of the English and 51 percent of the Scots wanted England to have a separate parliament. Salmond himself has urged support for an English parliament. English voters are also unhappy with a new constitutional anomaly in which Scottish lawmakers can continue to vote on English issues at Westminster but their English colleagues have no say on policy north of the border. Scots hold powerful positions in the Labour government and the Scottish people receive a larger share of tax money for public services than those in England.

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabt...asp?msgID=8910

It is time to break away from rogues like Blair.


Breaking up is good for enemies USSR, Yugoslavia, Iraq but bad for Britain - hmmn? I wonder could that have ANYTHING to do with the fact that a major section of the British Army (25% ??) would suddenly go AWOL, just when crucial Wars of Aggression are already in the pipelines?

Also, where are the English Republicans?

[The Lone Gunman]

They way I see it is that all would have to re-negotiate on the basis of their new status just like the Czech Repulic & Slovakia did - quite a God send for the UKIP.

This is all IMHO - would be nice to get alternative views & I'm suprised no one is talking about this aspect in the media

You see I am of an alternative persuasion here.
When other countries ahd to renegotiate it was because they had all become unique entities.

I believe that the UK will still exist, but Scotland will no longer be part of it.

If you are right then there is one hell of a row coming.

[Troll]

Thanks for that Troll.

So if Scotland goes independant then England, Wales and NI have to go it alone too?
In which case I would wonder about EU status for all of them.
I had always assumed that the "club" exists even if some members choose to leave.

They way I see it is that all would have to re-negotiate on the basis of their new status just like the Czech Repulic & Slovakia did - quite a God send for the UKIP.

This is all IMHO - would be nice to get alternative views & I'm suprised no one is talking about this aspect in the media

[The Lone Gunman]

Thanks for that Troll.

So if Scotland goes independant then England, Wales and NI have to go it alone too?
In which case I would wonder about EU status for all of them.
I had always assumed that the "club" exists even if some members choose to leave.

[Troll]

No, it is not the ending of the union, England would remain as part of the UK along with Wales and NI, Scotland is proposing to leave, to become independant.
The UK is still a member of the EU.

The United Kingdom is a defined legal entity - if that changes it must cease to exist - you cannot have a UK of England Wales & NI

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (usually shortened to the United Kingdom, the UK, or Britain[1]) is a country[2] and sovereign state that lies to the northwest of Continental Europe with the Republic of Ireland to the west. It occupies the majority of the British Isles and its territory and population are primarily situated on the island of Great Britain and in Northern Ireland, which shares a land border with the Republic of Ireland on the island of Ireland. The United Kingdom is bounded by the Atlantic Ocean, and its ancillary bodies of water, including the North Sea, the English Channel, the Celtic Sea, and the Irish Sea. The mainland is linked to France by the Channel Tunnel.

The United Kingdom is a political union made up of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

[The Lone Gunman]

So the ending of the Union would automatically trigger Scotland & Englands removal from the EU without a referendum

No, it is not the ending of the union, England would remain as part of the UK along with Wales and NI, Scotland is proposing to leave, to become independant.
The UK is still a member of the EU.

[Troll]

3. Commonwealth OK, but the EU? Scotland is not a member of the EU, the UK is. If Scotland removes itself from the UK then it will have to apply to join the EU as an independant nation.

So the ending of the Union would automatically trigger Scotland & Englands removal from the EU without a referendum

[Black Dalek]

You will be EX-TER-MIN-A-TED EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE

Reptilians will be EX-TER-MIN-A-TED EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE

[Gold Dalek]

But like the Dr Who Dalek prog in the first series, towards the end I actually felt sorry for the self deluded old sod*.

(*That's Bliar in this prog rather than the Dalek in the Dr Who prog).

You will be EX-TER-MIN-A-TED EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE

[The Lone Gunman]

I heard that dozy lord falconer this morning, giving NL's pathetic reasons why an English assembly would be wrong. Against all the solid evidence to the contrary.

He is an utter c*** isn't he!

It is utterly amazing to watch all these NL sheep toeing the line.
It is also astounding that the press are not ripping them to shreads for their two faced stance here.
They have all said that a seperate parliament for Scotland is a must, but have said that a two tier parliament for England could never work.
They say that Scottish MPs** must be allowed to make decisions which affect only Scotland but Scottish MPs must be allowed to vote on issues which only affect England.

**
When I say Scottish MPs I mean those representing Scottis seats. They may not be Scots.

[The Lone Gunman]

My fellow readers will know I have been alerting you this very scenario for some time, the disenchantment with NL in Scotland is very obvious, Scots see that leaving the Union would grant the following major benefits

1) Removal and ending of Trident and foreign WMDs sited in Scotland

2) Ending of the millitary adventurism in the Middle East - we have no need to plunder other states Oil reserves - thereby removing Scotland as a target for terrorism

3) Scotland would remain inside the Commonwealth and the European Union

You will have to explain points 2 and 3 to me.
2. Where would Scotland get its oil? The SNP and other seperatists seem to think the oil is Scotlands, it is not. It is British, it just comes ashore in Scotland.
As Scotland would no longer be British the oil would come ashore somewhere else.
3. Commonwealth OK, but the EU? Scotland is not a member of the EU, the UK is. If Scotland removes itself from the UK then it will have to apply to join the EU as an independant nation.

Or do you have facts that show otherwise, I may have missed something.
I say facts as it has been my experience that a lot of seperatists seem to believe stuff they have no evidence for, only a strongly held belief that it is so.

[stackpole]

"An English Parliament" is the top news in the UK at the moment:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6264823.stm

I heard that dozy lord falconer this morning, giving NL's pathetic reasons why an English assembly would be wrong. Against all the solid evidence to the contrary.

He is an utter c*** isn't he!

[Paddy]

As the brain lives on for a short while - presumably you are able to watch your body on the floor while your head bobs about.

I think lethal injection is more appropriate these days

There is no easy way to kill.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...scid=8&did=478

22. May 3, 1995. Missouri. Emmitt Foster. Lethal Injection. Seven minutes after the lethal chemicals began to flow into Foster's arm, the execution was halted when the chemicals stopped circulating. With Foster gasping and convulsing, the blinds were drawn so the witnesses could not view the scene. Death was pronounced thirty minutes after the execution began, and three minutes later the blinds were reopened so the witnesses could view the corpse.33 According to William "Mal" Gum, the Washington County Coroner who pronounced death, the problem was caused by the tightness of the leather straps that bound Foster to the execution gurney; it was so tight that the flow of chemicals into the veins was restricted. Foster did not die until several minutes after a prison worker finally loosened the straps. The coroner entered the death chamber twenty minutes after the execution began, diagnosed the problem, and told the officials to loosen the strap so the execution could proceed.34 In an editorial, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch called the execution "a particularly sordid chapter in Missouri's capital punishment experience."35

9. December 13, 1988. Texas. Raymond Landry. Lethal Injection. Pronounced dead 40 minutes after being strapped to the execution gurney and 24 minutes after the drugs first started flowing into his arms.12 Two minutes after the drugs were administered, the syringe came out of Landry's vein, spraying the deadly chemicals across the room toward witnesses. The curtain separating the witnesses from the inmate was then pulled, and not reopened for fourteen minutes while the execution team reinserted the catheter into the vein. Witnesses reported "at least one groan." A spokesman for the Texas Department of Correction, Charles Brown (sic), said, "There was something of a delay in the execution because of what officials called a 'blowout.' The syringe came out of the vein, and the warden ordered the (execution) team to reinsert the catheter into the vein."13

16. January 24, 1992. Arkansas. Rickey Ray Rector. Lethal Injection. It took medical staff more than 50 minutes to find a suitable vein in Rector's arm. Witnesses were kept behind a drawn curtain and not permitted to view this scene, but reported hearing Rector's eight loud moans throughout the process. During the ordeal Rector (who suffered from serious brain damage) helped the medical personnel find a vein. The administrator of State's Department of Corrections medical programs said (paraphrased by a newspaper reporter) "the moans did come as a team of two medical people that had grown to five worked on both sides of his body to find a vein." The administrator said "That may have contributed to his occasional outbursts." The difficulty in finding a suitable vein was later attributed to Rector's bulk and his regular use of antipsychotic medication.22

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[AlfredJPruffock]

The world has obviously moved on since the script was written.

It looks more likely that Blair will try to stay on to maintain stability for HM after Scotland votes for Independence in May.

"An English Parliament" is the top news in the UK at the moment:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6264823.stm

But Blair "bringing stability" (even after another terrorist attack) is looking more and more like a sick joke.

My fellow readers will know I have been alerting you this very scenario for some time, the disenchantment with NL in Scotland is very obvious, Scots see that leaving the Union would grant the following major benefits

1) Removal and ending of Trident and foreign WMDs sited in Scotland

2) Ending of the millitary adventurism in the Middle East - we have no need to plunder other states Oil reserves - thereby removing Scotland as a target for terrorism

3) Scotland would remain inside the Commonwealth and the European Union

[Lambros]

The world has obviously moved on since the script was written.

It looks more likely that Blair will try to stay on to maintain stability for HM after Scotland votes for Independence in May.

"An English Parliament" is the top news in the UK at the moment:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6264823.stm

But Blair "bringing stability" (even after another terrorist attack) is looking more and more like a sick joke.