Reply to: Two Russian Nationals named as suspects in Novichok poisoning

[Eirikur]

"Tourists" that come to the uk for 2 days and when they get to their destination Salisbury cathedral they go back because of the cold weather to Moscow where it is even colder
We've seen the Russian tourists before in Eastern Ukraine where they came armed with tanks on their holidays

For Trotskyist Corbyn fully believable

[vetran]

"just tourists"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697

Who liked Salisbury so much that they visited it twice, on sequential days while staying in London..

Ah the Corbyn gambit - I was there but I didn't take part!

[jds 1981]

"just tourists"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45509697

Who liked Salisbury so much that they visited it twice, on sequential days while staying in London..

[Jog On]

Apparently there's another Assad gas attack in the prepping... US have threatened to hit Russian assets in retaliation if/when it does happen if they 'get in the way'. Very little about Idlib in the news and a lot happening there right now...

[Jog On]

Well that much is obvious.
It's impossible to fill in the gaps though, as they exist between your ears.

Knocked it out of the park again I aee...

[sasguru]

I am biased on the side of fake news and a useful idiot so I happy to have some gaps filled in.

Well that much is obvious.
It's impossible to fill in the gaps though, as they exist between your ears.

[Eirikur]

As it was called "The Ukraine" when part of the USSR as much of it is back in Russia and Vlad thinks he owns the rest its a moot point. I will try to avoid using the "The" in future.

Do please avoid personal attacks as you aren't equipped for a battle of wits.

The EU was creating stronger economic & political bonds with Ukraine, Russia publicly made it clear that they were very unhappy about this as Crimea is part of the mouth of the Black sea where the Russian fleet sits. A number of military experts explained this at length on the news.

The EU & Ukraine continued to get closer together and probably the most dangerous western world leader reacted. Of course the EU did f. all and the poor bastards in the Crimea & Ukraine paid for the EU's stupidity.

You show that you have absolutely no knowledge about this subject except what your Kremlin masters tell you. I happen to know a lot about this subject and you're just talking BS

[Jog On]

Wasn't Ukraine joining the EU a red line for Vlad because EU membership = NATO membership?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...o-russia-putin

I think Ukraine being in NATO is a big fat nyet - I think Crimea strategically is an even bigger nyet if it were to become a NATO territory.

Also didn't this all happen right after Russia said nyet to the first Syrian invasion attempt? I remember it going like this:

Us - OK, we've done Iraq now, let's do Syria!
Vlad - erm - I'm gonna have to say nyet to that one guys sorry (I like my gas monopoly to Europe thanks you very much)
*Regime change in Ukraine* (passenger plane shot down)
Vlad - erm.... OK, well I'm having Crimea - you're not check mating me that easily
*Annexes Crimea, supports East Ukraine rebels*

That's how I saw it unfold, although I am biased on the side of fake news and a useful idiot so I happy to have some gaps filled in.

[NotAllThere]

So it’s ok to invade neighbour country if they decide to have better economic ties with their other neighbours?...Is it OK to annex another country (or part of it) whilst claiming some other country was going to do it first?

The Russian/Putin apologists Vetran and TwoWolves seems to think so. Apparently if someone powerful is unhappy about something, you should do your best to appease them. Worked well for Chamberlain.

do please avoid personal attacks as you aren't equipped for a battle of wits.

Whereas you are halfway there.

[AtW]

Murder is never OK. Let's be honest, that's what it leads to. Nevertheless, antagonising nations without a good plan and a threat to deadlock the ascent of power is just plain stupid. The EU showed the world that they were not statesman of any calibre. The Russians see the region as their sphere and everyone know it.

Plus: https://www.businessinsider.com/here...pe-2014-3?IR=T

So that makes it acceptable by the Russians to annex part of Ukraine and kill British citizens using banned chemicals inside UK?

It's pretty amazing to still see Putin's apologists on here, are you fooking idiots or what?

[TwoWolves]

So it’s ok to invade neighbour country if they decide to have better economic ties with their other neighbours?

Murder is never OK. Let's be honest, that's what it leads to. Nevertheless, antagonising nations without a good plan and a threat to deadlock the ascent of power is just plain stupid. The EU showed the world that they were not statesman of any calibre. The Russians see the region as their sphere and everyone know it.

Plus: https://www.businessinsider.com/here...pe-2014-3?IR=T

[AtW]

Is it OK to annex another country (or part of it) whilst claiming some other country was going to do it first?

[sasguru]

So it’s ok to invade neighbour country if they decide to have better economic ties with their other neighbours?

You're not suggesting that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about, are you? Shirley not.

[AtW]

So it’s ok to invade neighbour country if they decide to have better economic ties with their other neighbours?

[vetran]

Little history lesson for the brainless brexiteer

EU and Ukraine (note NOT "The") wanted to agree on a partnership, there was and is no mention of Ukraine entering the EU or as you put it the EU annexing Ukraine. Putin didn't like it however and blocked it as he was afraid Ukraine was leaving the Russian sphere of influence, by using his puppet Yanukovich who was president at the time.
This led to a revolt by the Ukrainian people
As a result Yanukovich was ousted by the popular uprising (during which he ordered the police to shoot life rounds at the crowds and over a 100 people died) and fled to Russia
Putin invaded Crimea and Eastern Ukraine and Annexed Crimea

As it was called "The Ukraine" when part of the USSR as much of it is back in Russia and Vlad thinks he owns the rest its a moot point. I will try to avoid using the "The" in future.

Do please avoid personal attacks as you aren't equipped for a battle of wits.

The EU was creating stronger economic & political bonds with Ukraine, Russia publicly made it clear that they were very unhappy about this as Crimea is part of the mouth of the Black sea where the Russian fleet sits. A number of military experts explained this at length on the news.

The EU & Ukraine continued to get closer together and probably the most dangerous western world leader reacted. Of course the EU did f. all and the poor bastards in the Crimea & Ukraine paid for the EU's stupidity.