Reply to: Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[shaunbhoy]

Not all people who voted for independence voted for the SNP.

And not everyone that voted SNP are in favour of Independence.

[MrMarkyMark]

We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when

[scooterscot]

Thank you for your forewarning that you were about to speak UTTER pi$$h.

70% seats does not mean 70% support for independence. Vastly more people voted for pro-union parties than pro-independence.

Not all people who voted for independence voted for the SNP.

[chopper]

Some UTTER pi$$h being spoken here.The SNP still WON the vast bulk of the seats in Scotland (70% of the seats. Would be regarded as a thumping landslide if it was UK wide) Comparing them to the Lib Dems; a gross misrepresentation of the reality. Apart from that the SNP are not the independence movement, its a wider movement than one party.

Thank you for your forewarning that you were about to speak UTTER pi$$h.

70% seats does not mean 70% support for independence. Vastly more people voted for pro-union parties than pro-independence.

[scooterscot]

Some UTTER pi$$h being spoken here.The SNP still WON the vast bulk of the seats in Scotland (70% of the seats. Would be regarded as a thumping landslide if it was UK wide) Comparing them to the Lib Dems; a gross misrepresentation of the reality. Apart from that the SNP are not the independence movement, its a wider movement than one party.

[billybiro]

just imagine if everyone got out of bed in the morning and said "I declare my apartment in Ludlow independent of the UK with it's own laws, money and tax policies

Funny thing is, that's exactly what you could do.

How do you think fiefdoms of old were created? You stake a claim to somewhere, anywhere you please, and you just make sure you have a big/strong enough army to defend that against those who would disagree with you.

In many ways, our entire history of who conquered where all comes down to "who had the bigger stick".

[oscarose]

Scotland has spoken, they don't want to leave the UK, they don't want another referendum..

Yep, another one bites the dust

[chopper]

Sturgeon's obsession with continuous referendum's has been despite the mood of Scotland not being on her side. Scotland has spoken, they don't want to leave the UK, they don't want another referendum. It seems to me they'd rather leave (or stay in) the EU with the UK rather than outside.

Complete misjudgement on her part. SNP needs to move on with looking after the issues that matter in Scotland rather than putting that all on the back burner and constantly sabre rattling about independence. She can probably take some consolation in that the UK will probably now not have a hard Brexit. But IndyRef2 was never about the EU - that was simply her excuse. If the vote had been to remain, she would simply use a different excuse.

Ironic that it is Scotland's votes that will prop up the Tory minority government. Even Sturgeon's rants about Scotland not getting the government voted for are now in the river - if Scotland had not voted in a dozen or so MPs, we would not be talking about a Tory minority government.

[shaunbhoy]

It's quite in here today?!

Nicola considering her position after the SNP seat tally fell by almost 40%.

[barrydidit]

Put on hold for another 300 years.

[SimonMac]

It's quite in here today?!

[northernladyuk]

That's kind of the point. There's a soft border between two EU nations.

And the border between an EU nation and a non-EU / EEA nation outside of the single market and customs union will not be soft. This is the problem that an independent Scotland inside the EU would face, as sympathetic as I am to any impulses to separate Scotland from the racists, cretins and hard-right Tories south of the border.

[d000hg]

Soft border post Brexit is propaganda. There is currently a soft border.

That's kind of the point. There's a soft border between two EU nations.

[shaunbhoy]

In Westminster we have no say and can be outvoted easily. We have far more representation in the EU

Oh stop it....stop it!!!!

[shaunbhoy]

Why did the SNP get over 1 Million votes in total in 2016, the highest ever by one party in the Scottish elections despite being in power for 10 years when traditionally a government will start losing votes?

Because of the abject failure of Labour to look after the concerns of scottish socialists.

Labour loses huge numbers, SNP gains huge numbers. Not rocket science.

That does NOT, however, prove that those disenchanted former-Labour voters are all mad keen on independence, as many in your party would seek to suggest.