Reply to: First Minister will back PM for Free movement of labour Brexit deal

[jamesbrown]

Quite right.
What's your point about the strength of the British economy and the way forward?

That it would be marginally improved if you left your bedroom occasionally and used a real train.

Nevertheless, to humour you momentarily, perhaps read what I wrote before the EU ref. The trade-off was obvious from the outset. The speedy coronation of May will help, but the economy looked like a turd even before the ref was announced, and we're not going to avoid a further hit. First post-ref PMIs this Friday IIRC...

[CretinWatcher]

Utter tripe.

If there's one thing that is absolutely, unquestionably, guaranteed about the upcoming Brexit, it's that anything resembling unfettered ("free") movement will be politically untenable, because the vote was widely recognised as a trade-off between the economy and unfettered migration. May enjoys a slim, effective, majority (which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see an Autumn or Spring election), but this wouldn't pass the Tory backbenches under any circumstances. If you really believe that an unmodified EEA is on the table, you don't follow politics (or May) very closely. There's some chance of an EEA+ option with fettered migration (e.g. "free" movement of workers), but I don't think the EU would support that.

Quite right.
What's your point about the strength of the British economy and the way forward?

[GB9]

Her speech is as interesting as Corbyn's were.

One labour MP today said Corbyn had 'put in a shift' compared to May on the EU.

[SueEllen]

Like this one: https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...e-in-the-world

Her speech is as interesting as Corbyn's were.

[darmstadt]

They obviously heard her make loads of speeches saying why we should remain during the referendum unlike the rest of us.

Like this one: https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...e-in-the-world

[NotAllThere]

May is a PM now, she'll do what other PMs did - whatever keeps them personally in power for as long as possible.

So that will be Brexit then.

Whether she prefers Brexit or not, if she's intent on staying in power and thinks she's more likely to garner a majority from Bremainers than Brexiters, then she'll go that way.

Margaret Thatcher retained power with under 40% of the vote. The Bremainers constitute 48%.

[SueEllen]

And anyone who believes May is a Remainer is delusional.

They obviously heard her make loads of speeches saying why we should remain during the referendum unlike the rest of us.

[GB9]

And anyone who believes May is a Remainer is delusional.

[jamesbrown]

While the waters remain somewhat murky one thing is clear. Any deal that kills free movement of labour will guarantee Scottish independence in a new referendum. May wants free movement and Sturgeon will do a deal if it gets more powers for Scotland and an EEA/EU deal. So expect to see a lot of window dressing between the two of them about saving the union and independence referendums. An independence referendum will only occur if Dunkin donuts Davis succeeds in taking us completely out of Europe into splendid non WTO isolation. Just have to pray the UK gov doesnt fall apart.

Utter tripe.

If there's one thing that is absolutely, unquestionably, guaranteed about the upcoming Brexit, it's that anything resembling unfettered ("free") movement will be politically untenable, because the vote was widely recognised as a trade-off between the economy and unfettered migration. May enjoys a slim, effective, majority (which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see an Autumn or Spring election), but this wouldn't pass the Tory backbenches under any circumstances. If you really believe that an unmodified EEA is on the table, you don't follow politics (or May) very closely. There's some chance of an EEA+ option with fettered migration (e.g. "free" movement of workers), but I don't think the EU would support that.

[darmstadt]

May is a PM now, she'll do what other PMs did - see how much more she can **** up the country.

FTFY...

[VectraMan]

May is a PM now, she'll do what other PMs did - whatever keeps them personally in power for as long as possible.

Like David Cameron did?

[GB9]

May is a PM now, she'll do what other PMs did - whatever keeps them personally in power for as long as possible.

So that will be Brexit then.

[minestrone]

While the waters remain somewhat murky one thing is clear. Any deal that kills free movement of labour will guarantee Scottish independence in a new referendum. May wants free movement and Sturgeon will do a deal if it gets more powers for Scotland and an EEA/EU deal. So expect to see a lot of window dressing between the two of them about saving the union and independence referendums. An independence referendum will only occur if Dunkin donuts Davis succeeds in taking us completely out of Europe into splendid non WTO isolation. Just have to pray the UK gov doesnt fall apart.

Bollocks.

Who owns this sockie?

[AtW]

May is a PM now, she'll do what other PMs did - whatever keeps them personally in power for as long as possible.

[GB9]

May is a remainer.

To coin a phrase of a well known contributor, 'are you sure you're cut out to join the conversation'?