Reply to: "They may take our light bulbs but they will never take our Vacum Cleaners!"

[Bacchus]

My vacuum cleaner works using 560v - I'll be happy with 900v when it eventually conks out. I don't know what you're all whinging about.

Seriously? 560v??? sounds more like Frankenstein's monster than a vacuum cleaner! Do you have it plugged directly into an overhead pylon?

A couple of years ago I was looking for a low consumption (c 100W) vacuum cleaner for a boat (had to run of the 12v batteries upped to 240v via an inverter, so 1000w takes roughly 80 amps which is a hell of a wallop), and Euro loonies or not, I was gobsmacked to see that the average was 2000W, I think this is just willy-waving by the manufacturers, as others have said you don't need that much power to create a little breeze that picks up dust!

[darmstadt]

My vacuum cleaner works using 560v - I'll be happy with 900v when it eventually conks out. I don't know what you're all whinging about.

Mine's only 600v and it works a treat although its getting a bit worn so a new one is on the cards, probably a bagless one though

[cojak]

My vacuum cleaner works using 560v - I'll be happy with 900v when it eventually conks out. I don't know what you're all whinging about.

[darmstadt]

We have 9% of the say in laws made by the EU.

We have 100% of the say in the laws made by an independent UK.

Good, glad you support this: Justice and Security Act 2013

[Flashman]

We have 9% of the say in laws made by the EU.

We have 100% of the say in the laws made by an independent UK.

[darmstadt]

If this was a British law the British people could decide if we wanted it or not.

Now we rely on the wisdom of the EU Commission and Parliament for our laws.

We are so fooked

The British people did decide if they wanted it or not by your democratically elected MEP, it did go to the vote twice. If the British people didn't want it then they should have petitioned their elected representative but obviously they didn't.

[Flashman]

Ha ha!

Actually the proposals came out 3 years ago and this is what the UK had to say about them: http://www.eceee.org/ecodesign/produ...20Cleaners.pdf



Which, to me, means that the UK would have actually gone further! The UK were, like every other Member State, on the panels for this legislation so how come the media are only reporting on it now and not when the legislation was going through? Where were the UK industry representatives, Hoover and Dyson (1), during this process? Why wasn’t this contested at the time when, at various stages, UK MEPs and the UK representatives in the Council of EU and on the regulatory committee all VOTED on the plan as it went through, in the EP’s case twice? Were the companies asleep? No they weren’t. They participated by lobbying heavily all the way through the two directives that are causing this change. More here: https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/rebuttal/...-cleaners-ever

The only reason you’re hearing about it NOW is because the retailers want you to go out and panic-buy all their remaining energy-INefficient stock that they will otherwise have to scrap! Don’t be suckered in by UKIP and eurosceptic bulltulip!




(1 - energy efficiency with smaller engines is something Dyson has already done. Its cleaners aren’t affected because they’re already more energy efficient and don’t need such big motors.

If this was a British law the British people could decide if we wanted it or not.

Now we rely on the wisdom of the EU Commission and Parliament for our laws.

We are so fooked

[darmstadt]

Did UKIP turn up to vote against this?

Ha ha!

Actually the proposals came out 3 years ago and this is what the UK had to say about them: http://www.eceee.org/ecodesign/produ...20Cleaners.pdf

“The UK welcomes the Commission’s proposals for vacuum cleaners and the associated energy savings. The UK shares the Commission’s concern about the trend towards higher input power and therefore higher energy consumption, particularly as evidence suggests this does not correlate with improved product performance. The UK also welcomes the proposal for an energy label, as this will enable consumers to identify the energy consumption of a vacuum cleaner at the point of sale. We do, however, believe that minimum standards could be more ambitious than currently proposed”

Which, to me, means that the UK would have actually gone further! The UK were, like every other Member State, on the panels for this legislation so how come the media are only reporting on it now and not when the legislation was going through? Where were the UK industry representatives, Hoover and Dyson (1), during this process? Why wasn’t this contested at the time when, at various stages, UK MEPs and the UK representatives in the Council of EU and on the regulatory committee all VOTED on the plan as it went through, in the EP’s case twice? Were the companies asleep? No they weren’t. They participated by lobbying heavily all the way through the two directives that are causing this change. More here: https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/rebuttal/...-cleaners-ever

The only reason you’re hearing about it NOW is because the retailers want you to go out and panic-buy all their remaining energy-INefficient stock that they will otherwise have to scrap! Don’t be suckered in by UKIP and eurosceptic bulltulip!




(1 - energy efficiency with smaller engines is something Dyson has already done. Its cleaners aren’t affected because they’re already more energy efficient and don’t need such big motors.

[SueEllen]

Did UKIP turn up to vote against this?

You forget they don't vote in a parliament they don't believe in though they are happy to take the salary, expenses allowance and pension.....

[Mich the Tester]

So it takes you twice as long and you end up using twice the electricity. Good move. Vote UKIP.

We need a "Vote UKIP" smilie btw.

Did UKIP turn up to vote against this?

[Lockhouse]

So it takes you twice as long and you end up using twice the electricity. Good move. Vote UKIP.

We need a "Vote UKIP" smilie btw.

[CloudWalker]

The dog in the picture looks like it's eyes are about to explode.

lol or the cup cake dog

[EternalOptimist]

The EU beuracrat probably brought a tulip hoover on expenses and it broke so it became a bugbear of theirs.

you are right...

one things for sure


if some rich someone wants to buy a big hoover from somewhere,
they wont be buying it from europe.

eco loonies...

[SueEllen]

since hoover invented the hoover, stupid people have assumed that buying the product for their homes that they judged best was the right thing to do.

engineers have worked hard to maximise efficiency and make a product worthy for the market.

fools. all fools.

it takes an EU beuracrat to work all this out. dont think.. just do as you are told

The EU beuracrat probably brought a tulip hoover on expenses and it broke so it became a bugbear of theirs.

[EternalOptimist]

since hoover invented the hoover, stupid people have assumed that buying the product for their homes that they judged best was the right thing to do.

engineers have worked hard to maximise efficiency and make a product worthy for the market.

fools. all fools.

it takes an EU beuracrat to work all this out. dont think.. just do as you are told