Reply to: Fake job adverts - is it legal?

[SueEllen]

I don't agree, Boo talks a lot of sense. It seems you are very defensive, eerily so in favour of agencies' conduct and ethics.

He doesn't like agents. He's just pointing out how the market works.

And as this is a public forum which people can find from Google in the first page of search results, if you post openly about a current contract or agent you can find yourself walked or at best reprimanded. It's happened to a couple of posters.

[Old Greg]

Has it occured to you that if everyone disagrees with you then you might be the one that is wrong?

Maybe people are disagreeing because they have a vested interest?

[MyUserName]

I don't agree, Boo talks a lot of sense. It seems you are very defensive, eerily so in favour of agencies' conduct and ethics.

Has it occured to you that if everyone disagrees with you then you might be the one that is wrong?

[northernladuk]

I don't agree, Boo talks a lot of sense. It seems you are very defensive, eerily so in favour of agencies' conduct and ethics.

Nope, just trying to add a bit of common sense and reality to the discussion but I can see that isn't going to work. I shudder to think how badly you were abused at the hands of the meanie agents.

[masonryan]

You post a lot of dumb things but this is king of the pile.

I don't agree, Boo talks a lot of sense. It seems you are very defensive, eerily so in favour of agencies' conduct and ethics.

[masonryan]

I think it's more common to see "blended" job ads rather than outright fake ones. There's usually at least a grain of truth linking it back to one (or likely several) actual jobs.

I've seen more of that lately, particularly in the perm markets, advertising a huge salary range. Typically it will say the client will pay for the right level of experience. Nowadays what that really means is they will pay as little as they can get away with.

[northernladuk]

If you read NLUKs interminable stream of put downs/posts then you will very quickly notice that s/he never ever posts about the contracts s/he is in or clients or agencies or in fact any of the normal things that a contractor would be interested in.

Boo

You post a lot of dumb things but this is king of the pile. I don't splash my business out on a public free forums but I have used many examples from my past. I mentioned the fact we canned a contract role after getting CV's in a response to one of the OP's mindless posts only yesterday.

I don't post anything that contractors would be interested in? WTF? I don't even know how to respond to this utter tripe.

Maybe take the same advice as the other poster and understand what you are talking about before you hit the keyboard. Idiot.

People have experience and opinions that counter that of the poster. Isn't that what this board is about. Just because you have a better idea of how something works than the misguided OP makes you an agent rat is just ludicrous.

[GazCol]

Great question. If you read NLUKs interminable stream of put downs/posts then you will very quickly notice that s/he never ever posts about the contracts s/he is in or clients or agencies or in fact any of the normal things that a contractor would be interested in.

Same applies to quite a few people here, Blasterbates for instance, is forever posting that people working abroad should do so through unbrellas. I've been told s/he doesn't work for one but details are very slight regarding what s/he does actually do. And the "aroma" of agency rat round here really is overwhelming sometimes...

Boo

Quoting yourself is poor form.

[Boo]

You do seem to defend agents a lot, got anything to declare?

Great question. If you read NLUKs interminable stream of put downs/posts then you will very quickly notice that s/he never ever posts about the contracts s/he is in or clients or agencies or in fact any of the normal things that a contractor would be interested in.

Same applies to quite a few people here, Blasterbates for instance, is forever posting that people working abroad should do so through unbrellas. I've been told s/he doesn't work for one but details are very slight regarding what s/he does actually do. And the "aroma" of agency rat round here really is overwhelming sometimes...

Boo

[MyUserName]

They will just push people's rates down even more than usual to pocket more. You are very defensive of these agencies, anything to declare? Third time of asking.

Agents will get as much money as they can, obviously they will.
If they could grind us down to nothing and become millionaires then they would. Why wouldn't they?

However, if agency 1 tried that then agency 2 would get all of the potential contractors by offering more money and agency 1 would go out of business.

If all of the agencies made a co-ordinated attempt (which would never happen as they are very competitive, and I mean VERY) then most of us would just go back to being permies as contracting would not exist anymore. Hence all agencies would go out of business.

Therefore agencies will push your rate down as much as they can (obviously) and you push your rate up. Getting a good rate is part of the skillset of a contractor. The agency does not care, the client does not care - it is all on you.

[SueEllen]

I think it's more common to see "blended" job ads rather than outright fake ones. There's usually at least a grain of truth linking it back to one (or likely several) actual jobs.

What they are more likely to do is:
1. Leave knowingly expired job ads on the boards
2. Put on ads for a job that they know will go in the next hour or so

Both illegal but can be put down as "accidents".

[Bill Lumbergh]

I think it's more common to see "blended" job ads rather than outright fake ones. There's usually at least a grain of truth linking it back to one (or likely several) actual jobs.

[petergriffin]

There are multiple threads here about agent posting fake jobs and fishing for contacts. A typical sign is when they ask for two references upfront. Yes, it is illegal but how enforceable is it? If one had to question the legality of the corporate world in itself...

[No2politics]

They will just push people's rates down even more than usual to pocket more. You are very defensive of these agencies, anything to declare? Third time of asking.

What do you think the solution is then. Moan about it or find your own roles?

[northernladuk]

They will just push people's rates down even more than usual to pocket more. You are very defensive of these agencies, anything to declare? Third time of asking.

That's business baby.

Ask me again....