Reply to: Am I correct to say that contract situation in Sep 2013 is really bad?

[Damon]

Acknowledging the thread has moved on since the OP, I have to agree the market for PM and Prog Mgr seem very difficult atm. I am at the Prog Mgr level and finding the usual numbers game when applying rather than getting a lot of calls incoming :/

Really looking into my approach. Will post a new thread once the moderators approve my new member postings.

[Bunk]

Not yet no - one more extension and I will have to stop claiming travel expenses.......

Best get out now then.

Depends how much the expenses are. I knew a couple of guys who commuted Midlands to London each week, they just negotiated a rate increase to make up for it.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

You fallen victim to the 24 month / 40% rule yet?

Not yet no - one more extension and I will have to stop claiming travel expenses.......

Best get out now then.

[Antman]

I get the sense that we are mostly surplus to requirements now, what with all the immigration and offshoring.

We are not wanted anymore; a generation (or two) on the scrapheap in favour of cheap foreign labour.

I wish we could establish separate enclaves, away from the older generations and their slaves, but I guess we're forced to continue living in this prison.

It's swings and roundabouts, On-shoring has happened with call centres, it's a question of time before development comes back as well. I've just put a release on my client's website working with bob consultancy there was no development (otherwise it wouldn't have made the 3 month lead-time) only config, they needed 8 days to dev and test. After this, it was apparent that what was delivered didn't work the architect and myself then had to handhold the agency through the actual changes. This time (by 2 onshore resources) isn't measured by whoever decided that off-shoring was a good idea.

It will become apparent that it is a lower quality, less agile and more expensive option in due course.

[Bunk]

WHS

We often criticise the miners and other industries, who saw their work dry up and disappear, for not moving on and accepting the reality of the situation. Incidentally, I don't think the current market is anywhere near that bad, but you shouldn't expect to stay still and the work to come to you. If there are no contracts for your work, paying what you want, in a location that you want, then maybe you need to change some of those criteria.

What's your skillset? We might have a better idea what you could do to improve your chances.

[DirtyDog]

I don't feel sorry for myself. But out of interest, what do you suggest I do exactly; I mean in practical terms, because I'm out of ideas.

Find something that you can do, where there is demand for that skill. Look at what happens over the life of the product / skill and when it begins to wane, move into the later technologies / theories / methodologies.

Or move into an older technology that is still required by organizations, but the new kids aren't learning.

Do something which generally requires you to be on-site (or certainly in the same country). Do something which requires security clearance, which makes it harder to off-shore.

Do something which is higher up the food chain, which is less likely to be replaced.

[Supply and Command]

Never read such utter nonsense in my life. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others.

I don't feel sorry for myself. But out of interest, what do you suggest I do exactly; I mean in practical terms, because I'm out of ideas.

[Bunk]

I get the sense that we are mostly surplus to requirements now, what with all the immigration and offshoring.

We are not wanted anymore; a generation (or two) on the scrapheap in favour of cheap foreign labour.

I wish we could establish separate enclaves, away from the older generations and their slaves, but I guess we're forced to continue living in this prison.

Never read such utter nonsense in my life. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others.

[northernladuk]

I get the sense that we are mostly surplus to requirements now, what with all the immigration and offshoring.

We are not wanted anymore; a generation (or two) on the scrapheap in favour of cheap foreign labour.

I wish we could establish separate enclaves, away from the older generations and their slaves, but I guess we're forced to continue living in this prison.

Didn't admin say we are allowed to use the winker icon in Prof forums where it is a valid comment?

[Supply and Command]

I get the sense that we are mostly surplus to requirements now, what with all the immigration and offshoring.

We are not wanted anymore; a generation (or two) on the scrapheap in favour of cheap foreign labour.

I wish we could establish separate enclaves, away from the older generations and their slaves, but I guess we're forced to continue living in this prison.

[Bunk]

Left there for a really dingy place for 4 months (which I had not issues cutting my ties off with) and then came back for another tour of duty.... Been here over a year and have a few weeks left on contract

You fallen victim to the 24 month / 40% rule yet?

[Bunk]

Bearing in mind the OP posted this in October he would be incorrect in saying that. What he should have said is that the contract situation in Sep WAS really bad

I thankew

He'd still be wrong though

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Are you still at Radbroke? I nearly returned twice last year but was scuppered due to two separate idiotic reasons. On this year's rounds I've not even had an interview!

Don't remember p*****g anyone off in 2011 when I was last there though the project we were working on was less than popular

Left there for a really dingy place for 4 months (which I had not issues cutting my ties off with) and then came back for another tour of duty.... Been here over a year and have a few weeks left on contract

[northernladuk]

Am I correct to say that contract situation in Sep 2013 is really bad?

Bearing in mind the OP posted this in October he would be incorrect in saying that. What he should have said is that the contract situation in Sep WAS really bad

I thankew

[Mephisto]

Dead this week and last. Only just starting to look at roles and start applying. Ignoring nearly all of the roles so far due to either rate or the wrong role. I think I have made 2 applications in the last 2 weeks......

Can all suddenly change though...

Are you still at Radbroke? I nearly returned twice last year but was scuppered due to two separate idiotic reasons. On this year's rounds I've not even had an interview!

Don't remember p*****g anyone off in 2011 when I was last there though the project we were working on was less than popular