Going back to the original post - if anyone can remember back that far - if the client described it as having to have a week off then it would be a lot more straightforward, although having to have it at a time of year most people are trying to keep their heads down at work after Christmas is never going to be that popular.
As for providing your own equipment I work in Software Testing and there isn't a way in the world I would install pre-release software on my own device.
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Particularly if you can accept another role that doesn’t take the piss.
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Well I mean that's just silly. Inside/Outside there's no difference to most people except for the small subset of geeks on here.
You're right that if it's a question between being unemployed and providing your own laptop, it's a bit silly not to take the role, buton the other hand also silly to not understand that such a request for an inside IR35 contract is taking the piss somewhat. On the gripping hand... ope, that's it.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
Hey?
He's explaining to you in simple terms why myself and others won't pay for a laptop if we are within IR35.
Like any of you would turn down an Inside role paying 25% more than the equivalent Outside one just because you had to buy a laptop. Because obviously the computing power you already have access to is completely insufficient for writing some code and accessing GitHub
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Originally posted by ensignia View PostClassic flailing from NLUK. Next you'll be requesting this to be moved to General.
I'm most certainly a good candidate for a good fail but in this case it's not me.Last edited by northernladuk; 18 January 2022, 14:03.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
Hey?
He's explaining to you in simple terms why myself and others won't pay for a laptop if we are within IR35.
Inside IR35 = Temporary employee = Employer (or "client" as some permitractors call them) supplies laptop and any other tools required by them to do the job.
Outside IR35, I use a mixture of Ltd equipment (where possible) and client equipment (where necessary). My company will not permit clients to install "unauthorised" software on our company equipment, and most of my clients have specific security protocols to access parts of their systems.
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Classic flailing from NLUK. Next you'll be requesting this to be moved to General.
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Why would you need to buy a laptop especially? Also, laptops/PCs/Macs are hardly a huge cost to bear for people who are on healthy day rates (regardless of whether you can bill it through your Co or not).
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Why would you need to buy a laptop especially? Also, laptops/PCs/Macs are hardly a huge cost to bear for people who are on healthy day rates (regardless of whether you can bill it through your Co or not).
If I were inside IR35 long term, I would be MVLing my business and no longer pay for those products.
If a client want me to use my own device, without the advanced security tooling my business pay for, they are fecking idiots. It's more than just inside/outside. It's about who's responsible for securing the systems and information. As a business owner I have responsibility. As an employee I would have none.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostIf you are inside and need to buy a laptop you can't put it through expenses so not unreasonable to ask the client for kit.
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Well I mean that's just silly. Inside/Outside there's no difference to most people except for the small subset of geeks on here.
Nothing has really changed except the way many contractors are paid now, clients/hiring managers don't suddenly think these contractors are now disguised perms because of regs so we should change how we treat them.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
The context is that it's an inside gig. If they want a disguised perm then they can stump up the hardware.
Nothing has really changed except the way many contractors are paid now, clients/hiring managers don't suddenly think these contractors are now disguised perms because of regs so we should change how we treat them.
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Why are people taking umbrage to having to use their own equipment?
I got sent a laptop for my new gig and I hate it, but am forced to use it because ClientCo (Big 4) stipulate that I have to and there seems to be no way around it unlike other massive corporates I've contracted at.
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