Reply to: IR35 Reform Private Sector- News, Rumors

[skysies]

Meant with irony, anyway.. let's see how this unfolds in the coming months...

[washed up contractor]

Gauke was just following the HMRC line, he was demoted because he was not very good at it...

He's been promoted to Secretary of State at DWP not, demoted.

[MrMarkyMark]

Have no idea who that guy is...Anyway, I'm trough a consultancy, not directly with the client. So hopefully, even if they implement IR35 in the private sector, it won't apply to cases like mine..

[skysies]

Gauke was just following the HMRC line, he was demoted because he was not very good at it...

Have no idea who that guy is...Anyway, I'm trough a consultancy, not directly with the client. So hopefully, even if they implement IR35 in the private sector, it won't apply to cases like mine..

[AtW]

I note that our old enemy David Gauke has been moved from the treasury to Work and Pensions Secretary. I take this as a sign the government now accepts the 'problem' of contracting cannot be dealt with through taxation alone, as 'useful idiots' make the foolish argument that "if we're taxed like employees we should have employment rights".

Gauke was just following the HMRC line, he was demoted because he was not very good at it...

[Darkling]

I note that our old enemy David Gauke has been moved from the treasury to Work and Pensions Secretary. I take this as a sign the government now accepts the 'problem' of contracting cannot be dealt with through taxation alone, as 'useful idiots' make the foolish argument that "if we're taxed like employees we should have employment rights".

Rather than roll out the 'off-payroll' rules to the private sector, I suspect we will now be lumbered with measures notionally designed to support 'vulnerable' gig economy workers - yes we'll get our precious 25 days 'paid' holiday per year, but the engager will be required to pay employer's NICs, and our day rates will be pro-rated down to pay for all of it.

[skysies]

In some ways I hope this happens to force me out of contracting (and the UK).

You couldn't have asked for a better time...Now with the political agenda shifting towards ditching austerity and Labour grabbing for power, putting IR35 inside the private sector would be an easy and politically justified win...

[oliverson]

In some ways I hope this happens to force me out of contracting (and the UK).

[skysies]

Not sure about the go abroad bit (doing far too much of that at the moment regardless) but I expect I will be working for far more foreign companies going forward...

By foreign companies do you mean Indian? Cause I guess we are unfortuantely all heading that way...

[eek]

Leave this f** mess and go abroad?

Not sure about the go abroad bit (doing far too much of that at the moment regardless) but I expect I will be working for far more foreign companies going forward...

[quackhandle]

Leave this f** mess and go abroad?

Probably.

<NWP2C mode> I'm just deciding who to market my amazing plan b to I have them literally begging me to sell to them for top, top, top end rate. For the North West. </NWP2C>

qh

[skysies]

It just doesn't make any sense whichever way you dress it up. It will be a monumental cock-up.

This government will still go ahead with it.

Time for Plan B.

qh

Leave this f** mess and go abroad?

[Numbermill]

Just a couple of months ago we were all saying "all we know is they won't announce it ahead of a General Election"...

Our thinking is that they'll have to bring it in at some point or else admit to creating a two-tier system with the Public Sector being made more expensive to run than the Private Sector. Make your own political arguments on that one, I'm not touching it with a barge pole.


Sadly, it's easier for the media to point at contractors and shout "tax-dodgers" than it is to present a balanced argument for the benefits and challenges of contracting. Where the media leads, the politicians usually follow.

Only hope (and I hate myself a little for saying this) is serious lobbying from the front-benchers best friends who would prefer their contractor costs did not rise, thank you very much.

Rob@Numbermill

[skysies]

With PS they could control the employers.

And in some cases PS ended up paying alot more. You would have thought they would have learned their lesson.

Lsat time I heard, they were VERY happy how the reform is being implemented for PSC...

[MrMarkyMark]

It just doesn't make any sense whichever way you dress it up. It will be a monumental cock-up.

This government will still go ahead with it.

Time for Plan B.

qh

Indeed