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Previously on "State of the Market"

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  • Fraidycat
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    Originally posted by dsc View Post

    Really? fecking hell that's a surprise considering the pay package :/ any ideas if it was a heavily applied to position?
    Five days in the office, hard interview, virtually minimum wage pay. Probably expect you to work your ass off. It sounds like a sweat shop.

    Java Node Javascript, I can guarantee the code base is a huge mess as well, if it has been written by entry level grads on that kind of pay and that tech stack.

    Still desperate times call for desperate measures.. But if they don't offer it because you are over qualified it was probably a lucky escape.
    Last edited by Fraidycat; Yesterday, 22:17.

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  • dsc
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post

    Apparently, it's also a very hard, technical interview with lots of questions. I normally do quite badly at these which is always a suprise to everyone.[...]
    Really? fecking hell that's a surprise considering the pay package :/ any ideas if it was a heavily applied to position? on the other hand nothing should really surprise me at this point with a market like this...

    I'm tulip with time limited coding exercises and remembering tulip things like function names which apparently sometimes people ask about in interviews, so... best of luck!

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  • Snooky
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    Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post
    This is the future everyone under 30 or 40 has to look forward to when AI takes most jobs. Everyone scrambling for the few jobs that cant be done by machine, and those jobs will be paying minimum wage job because so many people will be chasing them.
    If you're implying AI will cause mass unemployment, that won't happen. It won't be allowed to happen, because governments need citizens working and paying sufficient taxes to keep things ticking over.

    If you're implying that tech jobs will start to disappear, to be replaced by other jobs which people can do instead, you may be right in the very long term. Personally I think all the hoohah about AI taking over the world is hugely overstated, in the same way that people were saying Blockchain would completely revolutionise commerce. It may come to pass but it's taking an awful long time to get going.

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  • SchumiStars
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    Originally posted by dsc View Post

    It's low considering it's software dev, but on the other hand the three grads I worked with for a company similar to BAE were on that "rate" (that's around 35k yearly), so maybe not a huge surprise.

    I'm more interested in what the role actually is, we all know requirements are one thing and reality is something else.
    Apparently, it's also a very hard, technical interview with lots of questions. I normally do quite badly at these which is always a suprise to everyone.

    Well, let's see what happens. I might even have a shave and wear a clean shirt for it. I do have to say the market is drastic ATM. We were all looking forward to 2024, citing that we should improve however it does seem as though it could be a further 12mths.

    I highly doubt the market will improve quickly from this position, it seems like it will take some time and patient to get the cogs turning at company HR depts. Whatever is going on, it does seem deeper than the previous downturns we have all seen.

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  • dsc
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    Originally posted by hungry_hog View Post

    This is crazy
    Not being funny but seems like you are being paid an offshore rate for an onshore job.

    Have you looked at companies like Detica / BAE systems? They are chock full of technical people from top unis.
    It's low considering it's software dev, but on the other hand the three grads I worked with for a company similar to BAE were on that "rate" (that's around 35k yearly), so maybe not a huge surprise.

    I'm more interested in what the role actually is, we all know requirements are one thing and reality is something else.

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  • Fraidycat
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
    I have a confirmed interview, 5 days on-site, 30miles away from home, paying £13.50 PAYE per hour.
    This is the future everyone under 30 or 40 has to look forward to when AI takes most jobs. Everyone scrambling for the few jobs that cant be done by machine, and those jobs will be paying minimum wage job because so many people will be chasing them.

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  • GJABS
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
    I have a confirmed interview, 5 days on-site, 30miles away from home, paying £13.50 PAYE per hour. The job is software development requiring Java, Node, MongoDB, Docker and also security clearance.
    .
    Look at it as voluntary work, as you'll probably spend most of that on commute costs etc.
    Spend as much time as you can get away with, applying for other roles. And be prepared to walk at a moment's notice when you find something.
    And take plenty of days off- no point in exerting yourself.

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  • Fraidycat
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post
    at that rate isn't it better to just go and stock shelves in tesco?
    If you can get a job stacking shelves in one the big chains, 100s of applications per role. And they normally just go with someone they know..

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  • tjccjt01
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    at that rate isn't it better to just go and stock shelves in tesco?
    Nope, you'll have a better experience on your CV going forward, more rewarding work (Nowt wrong with stacking shelves mind, just if you're a techie you'll probably enjoy doing techie things more) and a SC at the end of it.

    T

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  • PCTNN
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
    I have a confirmed interview, 5 days on-site, 30miles away from home, paying £13.50 PAYE per hour. The job is software development requiring Java, Node, MongoDB, Docker and also security clearance.

    Just to add, I'm an Oxford Grad, living in London. Unfortunately, it does seem as though I will be attending and lowering my own expectations of achievable day rate

    Nevermind, got to take the rough with the smooth I suppose and no-one knows when this rough tide will end.
    at that rate isn't it better to just go and stock shelves in tesco?

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post

    Astonishing. Not a criticism, because needs must, and I suppose you will be continuously looking for better roles. However, paying roughly the London living wage for a skilled role that requires security clearance is insane.
    An HMG role perhaps, the rate is about right for a Grade EO office worker of around £28k pa. Not the first time a civil servant has calculated a contractor rate by dividing a grade salary.

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  • avonleigh
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    Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View Post
    In the 15+ years I’ve known them, there are some contractors who are now looking for something, even though I never knew they needed to.

    March tomorrow. the only way is up I suppose?
    Indeed. That's my only positive take on things, is that the market cannot get any worse. But not seeing any green shoots either. Agents are pinning their hopes on market improving end of March, with the usual new financial year surge. But can't see it personally. Even public sector isn't improving anytime soon, if this mooted 1% cut in NI happens. Don't see that will help the private sector either.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
    I have a confirmed interview, 5 days on-site, 30miles away from home, paying £13.50 PAYE per hour. The job is software development requiring Java, Node, MongoDB, Docker and also security clearance.

    Just to add, I'm an Oxford Grad, living in London. Unfortunately, it does seem as though I will be attending and lowering my own expectations of achievable day rate

    Nevermind, got to take the rough with the smooth I suppose and no-one knows when this rough tide will end.
    Astonishing. Not a criticism, because needs must, and I suppose you will be continuously looking for better roles. However, paying roughly the London living wage for a skilled role that requires security clearance is insane.

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  • hungry_hog
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
    I have a confirmed interview, 5 days on-site, 30miles away from home, paying £13.50 PAYE per hour. The job is software development requiring Java, Node, MongoDB, Docker and also security clearance.

    Just to add, I'm an Oxford Grad, living in London. Unfortunately, it does seem as though I will be attending and lowering my own expectations of achievable day rate

    Nevermind, got to take the rough with the smooth I suppose and no-one knows when this rough tide will end.
    This is crazy
    Not being funny but seems like you are being paid an offshore rate for an onshore job.

    Have you looked at companies like Detica / BAE systems? They are chock full of technical people from top unis.

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  • edison
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    Applied for two perm roles today. Finding it a bit hard to come to terms with applying for such roles after almost 11 years contracting.

    Spoke to several recruiters this week who specialise in placing people on change and transformation programmes. All said they are having conversations with clients about potential work but it is still very slow for things to materialise into contract demand.

    Overall in my niche, I'm seeing perm demand pick up a bit but strangely nearly all the ones I might have wanted to apply for are in the north, Midlands, South West etc which might be fine for a contract but not perm.

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