Reply to: EUSSR fifth columnists spreading false rumours about medication shortages

[shaunbhoy]

A quick question. How many people do you think

Can you see where this is likely to go wrong?

[original PM]

Fair points.

I can understand the frustration, because I would be too if I'd voted Leave.

I am not angry or upset.

I am just disappointed

They've let me down, they've let the team down.

But worst of all they have let themselves down.

[stonehenge]

And presumably, as a member of the Labour party, he stood representing the labour party manifesto, which at the time, God knows what it is now, was, and correct me if I'm wrong as I'm sure you will, to respect the peoples vote and to leave the EU.

I did not he is Labour and I voted Tory.

So this is the situation

I did not vote for this person but he got in (that's fine it's the way politics works)

The majority of the constituency voted to leave (that's fine it's the way politics works)

He is trying to derail the leave process. (that's probably not fine because he is now not representing the majority of his constituents)

I mean would he be happy if after the votes have been counted we all decided we did not want him and that actually had some weight?

It is pretty ****ed up whichever way you look at.

Fair points.

I can understand the frustration, because I would be too if I'd voted Leave.

[Yorkie62]

A quick question. How many people do you think were actually influenced by either the leave or remain campaigns?

Enough to create a majority, but not enough it would seem to have a 100% turnout.

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[WTFH]

A quick question. How many people do you think were actually influenced by either the leave or remain campaigns?

Enough to make campaigning seem worthwhile.

If very few were influenced on how to vote based on the campaigns, then what was their point, apart from to create division and reinforce ideas?

[Zigenare]

I'm stating the bleeding obvious, and that is why Brexit is doomed to failure. Until one of those who duped people into voting for Brexit is prepared to stand up and deliver it, it should not happen. They should be held responsible.

Brexit is a poisoned chalice, it was always going to be one, and yet people voted for it. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that.

A quick question. How many people do you think were actually influenced by either the leave or remain campaigns?

[Yorkie62]

There was no carte blanche for the government to screw it up It is a rubbish deal. It is not just pro remain MPs who are against it.

You should write a stern letter to Rees Mogg about not representing his constituents.

Technically he did represent the wishes of his constituents during the vote on May's deal as I though he voted against it. The rest of what you say I don't disagree with, but it is what we have and I don't think we are likely to get any better.

So is a bad deal better than no deal as still respect the 2016 referendum?

[Yorkie62]

Do you think Rees Mogg should derail the Leave process because the majority in his constituency voted remain?

He should vote against any deal, which OI think he did vote against May's deal, if his constituents want to remain. However there is an overwhelming majority of constituents that want to leave so it would make little difference.

[Old Greg]

I thought you might come back with that one. Yes it is a subset of the former, but in that referendum we gave the government of the day the right to negotiate on our behalf a deal by which we could leave the EU. We had/have a negotiated deal on the table which was voted down.

Yes I do think that MPs in remain voting constituencies should vote against any deal to leave the EU because that is what the people they represent want. Although if MPs voted with the wishes of their constituents then there would be an overwhelming majority for whatever deal the government managed to get out of the EU..

There was no carte blanche for the government to screw it up It is a rubbish deal. It is not just pro remain MPs who are against it.

You should write a stern letter to Rees Mogg about not representing his constituents.

[Yorkie62]

The latter option is a subset of the former is it not?

Also do you think that MPs in remain voting constituencies should vote to remain in the EU?

I thought you might come back with that one. Yes it is a subset of the former, but in that referendum we gave the government of the day the right to negotiate on our behalf a deal by which we could leave the EU. We had/have a negotiated deal on the table which was voted down.

Yes I do think that MPs in remain voting constituencies should vote against any deal to leave the EU because that is what the people they represent want. Although if MPs voted with the wishes of their constituents then there would be an overwhelming majority for whatever deal the government managed to get out of the EU..

[Old Greg]

I did not he is Labour and I voted Tory.

So this is the situation

I did not vote for this person but he got in (that's fine it's the way politics works)

The majority of the constituency voted to leave (that's fine it's the way politics works)

He is trying to derail the leave process. (that's probably not fine because he is now not representing the majority of his constituents)

I mean would he be happy if after the votes have been counted we all decided we did not want him and that actually had some weight?

It is pretty ****ed up whichever way you look at.

Do you think Rees Mogg should derail the Leave process because the majority in his constituency voted remain?

[original PM]

Presumably it was known, before the 2017 general election, that he was pro EU?

So why did you vote him in?

I did not he is Labour and I voted Tory.

So this is the situation

I did not vote for this person but he got in (that's fine it's the way politics works)

The majority of the constituency voted to leave (that's fine it's the way politics works)

He is trying to derail the leave process. (that's probably not fine because he is now not representing the majority of his constituents)

I mean would he be happy if after the votes have been counted we all decided we did not want him and that actually had some weight?

It is pretty ****ed up whichever way you look at.

[Yorkie62]

Presumably it was known, before the 2017 general election, that he was pro EU?

So why did you vote him in?

And presumably, as a member of the Labour party, he stood representing the labour party manifesto, which at the time, God knows what it is now, was, and correct me if I'm wrong as I'm sure you will, to respect the peoples vote and to leave the EU.

[Old Greg]

I was using Putin as a sarcastic analogy. Incidentally what evidence do you have that Putin's election was rigged? (Joke)

You have highlighted my point. On something as important, and as divisive as Brexit, do you not think that politicians should put their political allegiances aside and vote as their constituents voted in the referendum rather than vote to crash out of the EU without a deal.

The latter option is a subset of the former is it not?

Also do you think that MPs in remain voting constituencies should vote to remain in the EU?

[Yorkie62]

That's something of a shift from what you were saying about Putin.

The elected member always represents the electorate. They do this by following their own judgment. If you don't like it, kick them out at the next GE.

I was using Putin as a sarcastic analogy. Incidentally what evidence do you have that Putin's election was rigged? (Joke)

You have highlighted my point. On something as important, and as divisive as Brexit, do you not think that politicians should put their political allegiances aside and vote as their constituents voted in the referendum rather than vote to crash out of the EU without a deal.