Reply to: Another referendum in a (sometimes) sensible country

[Bean]

You are a cretin.

Fantastic rebuttal.
Many will fawn over the literary prowess in that post, for many years to come.

[NotAllThere]

wow, that is interesting but not 100% surprising, that you included that, given your love of moderator authoritarianism

PS. I'd venture that, most posts in 'General' are irrelevant, but at least it keeps you busy eh?

You are a cretin.

[Bean]

Since the answer can be qualified endlessly, once again your post is irrelevant.

Yes - <political system> is a good way to run a country. Yes - <political system> is not a good way to run a country.

Replace <political system> with
Democracy
Autocracy
Parlismentary Monarchy
Fascism
Direct Democracy

and the answer is the same. They all have their positives and their negatives.

Communism has pretty much been proven by history to be a terrible way to run a country.

If you want to ask whether having a referendum on Brexit was a good idea - try the Brexit subforum.

wow, that is interesting but not 100% surprising, that you included that, given your love of moderator authoritarianism

PS. I'd venture that, most posts in 'General' are irrelevant, but at least it keeps you busy eh?

[NotAllThere]

The question is there, certainly, but I doubt any intention on your part to learn is.

Urban Dictionary: Sealioning

I spent five minutes asking polite questions, sealioning him into hours of writing until he got exasperated and told me to **** off.

Of course the chosen method of avoiding sealioning in cuk is to call the poster a cretin.

[NotAllThere]

Perhaps I should, but I don't need to do that in order to ask that question....either;
1) Referendums are a good way to run a country, or
2) They are not a good way to run a country

Qualify the answer with 'information', 'minimum turnout' if you wish - but the question is there...

Since the answer can be qualified endlessly, once again your post is irrelevant.

Yes - <political system> is a good way to run a country. Yes - <political system> is not a good way to run a country.

Replace <political system> with
Democracy
Autocracy
Parlismentary Monarchy
Fascism
Direct Democracy

and the answer is the same. They all have their positives and their negatives.

Communism has pretty much been proven by history to be a terrible way to run a country.

If you want to ask whether having a referendum on Brexit was a good idea - try the Brexit subforum.

[meridian]

I wouldn't know. Do many schools have holidays in late November?


Perhaps I should, but I don't need to do that in order to ask that question....either;
1) Referendums are a good way to run a country, or
2) They are not a good way to run a country

Qualify the answer with 'information', 'minimum turnout' if you wish - but the question is there...

The question is there, certainly, but I doubt any intention on your part to learn is.

Urban Dictionary: Sealioning

[Bean]

Welcome back Bean, are the school holidays starting already?

Perhaps you should investigate the way that Referendums are held in other countries (CH, IE, etc), especially the difference in information and what the result of the referendums in those countries would apply to local laws.

I wouldn't know. Do many schools have holidays in late November?


Perhaps I should, but I don't need to do that in order to ask that question....either;
1) Referendums are a good way to run a country, or
2) They are not a good way to run a country

Qualify the answer with 'information', 'minimum turnout' if you wish - but the question is there...

[GreenMirror]

Interestingly I don't recall anyone protesting against the referendum when it was called. Can you post a link to a big demonstration against holding a referendum ?

One referendum on a big issue every ~40 years is fine.

DC just wanted to shut up Brexiters in the Tory party. That worked out well.....

[BlasterBates]

Despite what everyone is saying.

Exactly this - the people on the board agree with this outcome so it is good.

Had the people on the board not agreed with the outcome it would be bad and anyone who disagrees will be a cretin.

Still always good to have honest open unbiased discussion.

So just for the record are you pro or against a referendum on May's deal, with remain being an option ?

If against what sort of referendums do you agree with and what sort of referendums do you think are bad ?

Interestingly I don't recall anyone protesting against the referendum when it was called. Can you post a link to a big demonstration against holding a referendum ?

[GreenMirror]

Referendums are awesome, but only when they run on regular basis AND serious decisions should require more than simple majority.

CUK should adopt these. Every year a referrendum "Should AtW be perma-banned". 99% threshold is fine - I reckon that will be surpassed.

[original PM]

Sooooo, are referendums are good now, or is it just that this one went 'the way it's supposed to' ?

Despite what everyone is saying.

Exactly this - the people on the board agree with this outcome so it is good.

Had the people on the board not agreed with the outcome it would be bad and anyone who disagrees will be a cretin.

Still always good to have honest open unbiased discussion.

[NotAllThere]

Sooooo, are referendums are good now, or is it just that this one went 'the way it's supposed to' ?

Referendums were never bad, so your question is irrelevant.

Since my daughters recently became Swiss, they voted in this one. Along with the voting papers, came a booklet that detailed the reasons for voting for or against, together with information about the proportion of the government that were for or against. There's also partisan websites with the arguments by the various interested parties. The Swiss tend to be fairly diligent about educating themselves concerning the issues they're voting on, and they're usually reluctant to change the status quo. However, unlike the UK, most voters feel the Swiss government do represent them, since the political setup is far more collaborative and participatory, and there's plenty of local power - this means it is very unlikely you'll get any kind of protest vote.

[BlasterBates]

Switzerland, a slave state of the EU

I find it interesting that Switzerland held up as a great example of a country outside the EU, is now considered to be a "slave" state.

Nigel Farage and others frequently mentioned Switzerland.

Britain is now heading to be like Switzerland as we knew it always would, a "slave" state. You get what you vote for.

[BlasterBates]

Sooooo, are referendums are good now, or is it just that this one went 'the way it's supposed to' ?

Referendums are good, presumably you would be supportive of a new referendum on May's deal.

[meridian]

Referendums are awesome, but only when they run on regular basis AND serious decisions should require more than simple majority.

It’s better when certainty is given to the outcome, and when this certainty is debated in a meaningful way beforehand.

Take the Irish vote on abortion. Highly emotive, splitting opinions in families, etc. The proposed draft changes to the legislation were published well before the referendum. This wasn’t a “Do you want abortion repealed yes/no” vote, they knew exactly what they were voting for.