Reply to: Is this Will of the People?

[BR14]

It won’t take long for shauny to take up his Scottish citizenship and bugger off back to EU (Scotland) - Brexit makes breakup of the Union certainty, just a question of when, not if now - for that reason alone Brexiteers are traitors

and you can bugger off back home to your national service on the mongolian border

[AtW]

It won’t take long for shauny to take up his Scottish citizenship and bugger off back to EU (Scotland) - Brexit makes breakup of the Union certainty, just a question of when, not if now - for that reason alone Brexiteers are traitors

[sasguru]

I see you are still apoplectic about the fact that your nice cosy tax-reduced retirement to Portugal plan is hanging by a thread. What a tragedy!

Chin up...............you can always stay here with the rest of us and supplement your meagre diet with the produce from your allotment!

It's not actually, since i have taken out dual nationality.
It's full steam ahead, have just bought a very nice Lisbon pad.
I'm really hoping for a real Brexit, for the all the laughs it'll provide - from the other side

[d000hg]

What are you on about? I was talking about British people who fought in the war you oddball.

I don't think they comprise a big part of the vote.

[shaunbhoy]

So we had a great deal, access to the CM, our own currency, an opt-out from further political union, opt out from Schengen.
In other words we could have our cake and eat it.

I see you are still apoplectic about the fact that your nice cosy tax-reduced retirement to Portugal plan is hanging by a thread. What a tragedy!

Chin up...............you can always stay here with the rest of us and supplement your meagre diet with the produce from your allotment!

[chopper]

Actually Cameron did get an opt out from any "ever-further union of the EU".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-35622105

That part of the deal was meaningless

"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom."

The actual TEU refers to an "ever closer union of the peoples of Europe". That is nothing to do with political union. I underlined the lower case u in union rather than Union. The phrase 'ever closer union' has no legal 'bite' in the EU treaties, and so exemption from it is entirely meaningless.

Each 'competency' which the EU assumes in place of the member state is supra national governmental scope creep, and meaningless exemption from ever closer union doesn't halt this.

[sasguru]

That I have to concur with. And it isn't a good thing, as a 52/48 Remain result would have been hijacked by the EU project as "Even Britain is on board, lets get on with this this", pretty much in the same way a 52/48 Leave result has been hijacked by the no-deal brigade (the very ones who were talking about remaining in the single market before the referendum as part of their Project Lies).

We will lose out by leaving the EU, and it will almost certainly not be a price worth paying to take the ultimate isolationist line. Frictionless Trade is always going to be better than trade with friction. Me being able to freely take up a job in Amsterdam is better than not being able to. Financial institutions being based in the UK, paying UK taxes (stamp duty, corporation tax, employee taxes) is always going to be better than them moving their EU operations out of the UK.

JRM et al are getting free pass to making outrageous claims like this without anything to back it up

and yet anybody who counters it is scaremongering, or it is project fear.

Facts are being denounced as nonsense by anybody who can't be arsed understanding the implications or researching them.

The "I'm not a pilot, it doesn't affect me" or the "This is just a paperwork exercise" attitude to today's news that UK issued EASA pilots licences will no longer be valid once the UK falls out of EASA when it leaves the EU is typical of pretty much everything that is happening.

The "We won, you lost, get over it" attitude of the gammons (Chances are, if you're a leave voter and that isn't your attitude, then you're not a Gammon) is just... just. It's barmy and lacks rationale or reason. The past two years I have seen a side to people that I never thought was there.

I don't know how we box this off. I voted Leave, I don't support the "Hard Brexit" direction, and I don't really support the closer political union the EU is taken but I am pro a lot of the benefits of the EU (including all four freedoms). The baby is being thrown out with the bathwater and most of us will end up a lot worse off for it.

Actually Cameron did get an opt out from any "ever-further union of the EU".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-35622105

So we had a great deal, access to the CM, our own currency, an opt-out from further political union, opt out from Schengen.
In other words we could have our cake and eat it.
But then we let the vast numbers of stupid people that exist in the UK (is there any other country apart from the US with such a large and useless underclass?) ruin it all.
The only way for progress to be made now is a real Brexit.
Then the younger generation will in the fullness fo time decide what they want to do.

[chopper]

My view - is that a vote to remain - is a vote for the USofE.

That I have to concur with. And it isn't a good thing, as a 52/48 Remain result would have been hijacked by the EU project as "Even Britain is on board, lets get on with this this", pretty much in the same way a 52/48 Leave result has been hijacked by the no-deal brigade (the very ones who were talking about remaining in the single market before the referendum as part of their Project Lies).

We will lose out by leaving the EU, and it will almost certainly not be a price worth paying to take the ultimate isolationist line. Frictionless Trade is always going to be better than trade with friction. Me being able to freely take up a job in Amsterdam is better than not being able to. Financial institutions being based in the UK, paying UK taxes (stamp duty, corporation tax, employee taxes) is always going to be better than them moving their EU operations out of the UK.

JRM et al are getting free pass to making outrageous claims like this without anything to back it up

and yet anybody who counters it is scaremongering, or it is project fear.

Facts are being denounced as nonsense by anybody who can't be arsed understanding the implications or researching them.

The "I'm not a pilot, it doesn't affect me" or the "This is just a paperwork exercise" attitude to today's news that UK issued EASA pilots licences will no longer be valid once the UK falls out of EASA when it leaves the EU is typical of pretty much everything that is happening.

The "We won, you lost, get over it" attitude of the gammons (Chances are, if you're a leave voter and that isn't your attitude, then you're not a Gammon) is just... just. It's barmy and lacks rationale or reason. The past two years I have seen a side to people that I never thought was there.

I don't know how we box this off. I voted Leave, I don't support the "Hard Brexit" direction, and I don't really support the closer political union the EU is taken but I am pro a lot of the benefits of the EU (including all four freedoms). The baby is being thrown out with the bathwater and most of us will end up a lot worse off for it.

[PurpleGorilla]

52% of the voters voted for 1000 different variations of 'Brexit', whilst 48% of the voters all voted for the same thing, to stay in the EU.

The majority of the 52% will never be happy as they will not get their version of Brexit. The 48% will never be happy and will blame the 52% for ruining this country.

End result, whatever 'Brexit' is enacted, the majority of the country will not be happy.

Even BoJo, JRM and Davies can't agree on what Brexit should look like. And given Fox and Raab support May's Brexit plan they clearly are also at odds with their Brexit brethren. If the leaders of Brexit cannot agree what 'Brexit' looks like how can/could they ever convince the public? Idiots leading idiots.

But what does ‘staying in the EU’ mean?

Because the EU is continually pooling national sovereignty and pushing forward ‘ever closer union’.

Many EU politicians want to see a ‘United States of Europe’. I don’t want any part of that.

My view - is that a vote to remain - is a vote for the USofE.

[vetran]

No it's not.

The less intelligent like the use of smilies, - ah AssGuru.
twisting words - ah WTFH,
providing links to newspapers - not the mark of less intelligent if they are using references to support their arguments.

, and if someone disagrees with them they change the subject - ah WTFH.

No, she's dead. - sorry to hear that.

FTFY

[shaunbhoy]

Hordes of piffle deleted

Oh dear. You twist and turn like a twisty turny thing...................just remember, when you are at the bottom of a hole, stop digging.

HTH BIDI



Cue "You see? My point exactly!!" or some other bland, puerile soundbite, delivered sanctimoniously and with ill-deserved confidence.

[WTFH]

However you did refer to the less intelligent on here. Which is all posters.

No it's not.
Of all the posters on here, some will be more intelligent than others. Some will be less intelligent than others.
Of all the people who post on this forum who voted for Brexit, some will be more intelligent and some will be less intelligent.

The more intelligent ones have at times entered into debate on here, making valid points, providing factual evidence, discussing ideas, accepting other points of view even if they don't agree with them.
The less intelligent like the use of smilies, twisting words, providing links to newspapers, and if someone disagrees with them they change the subject. Of those, when asked about the Ireland Border, OpenSkies, standards organisations, etc, the response is that it will all work out in the end, but no idea how. The main thing for them is to break all ties with EU. That's what they voted for, that's what they want, and to hell with the consequences or anyone who disagrees.

And yo mamma is fat.....

No, she's dead. And no, it wasn't a cycling accident.

[vetran]

When you ask the less intelligent on here

we all know cojack is the only intelligent MOD, don't judge us all by your peers!

[Zigenare]

However you did refer to the less intelligent on here. Which is all posters.

I once believed CUK was where the intellectual cream of the contracting world came together for serious intellectual debate.

The only sign I ever saw of coming together was Xeno and AP on webcam.

And yo mamma is fat.....

That was a bloody good Thread!

[GreenMirror]

No, I don't believe that everyone who voted to leave is an idiot, or that they voted to leave because they wanted to break every single tie with the EU, all regulatory authorities, all cooperation, etc.

However you did refer to the less intelligent on here. Which is all posters.

I once believed CUK was where the intellectual cream of the contracting world came together for serious intellectual debate.

The only sign I ever saw of coming together was Xeno and AP on webcam.

And yo mamma is fat.....