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Client expecting me to "train up" a permie

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    Client expecting me to "train up" a permie

    I have had 2 requests to train up "wanna be" PMs in my current contract. The first person asked me a couple weeks ago and I've been mentoring her and sharing my approach etc. She is a PA and recently done Prince 2 and eventually wants a career change. Now today I get an email from this other person and feeling a little irritated. Especially when they seem to be wanting to hire a perm BA / PM (for 40k) for me to hand over to at the end of my 3 months.

    What would you do? Is this IR35 compliant? I wouldn't have thought a contract PM should be providing personal development for permies. I'm all for knowledge sharing but the request I had today via email from the permie was very explicit in wanting to shadow me with a view to applying for future PM roles. What's the best way to decline this?

    #2
    Funnily enough this exact same question reemerged today.

    Have a look - my response would be the same.

    But basically - ask for more money.

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      #3
      Originally posted by cojak View Post
      Funnily enough this exact same question reemerged today.

      Have a look - my response would be the same.

      But basically - ask for more money.

      http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ontractor.html

      Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?

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        #4
        Originally posted by simplicity View Post
        Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?
        Couldn't be any further from, surely.
        The Chunt of Chunts.

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          #5
          Originally posted by simplicity View Post
          Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?
          I'd read the guides again if I were you.
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            #6
            Originally posted by simplicity View Post
            Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?
            No difference- if you notice there was a reference to IR35 which was reasonable as a D&C concern.

            But if it's individuals asking you, just say that you're already mentoring one person and that's enough (and I'd wean the original one off as well if I were you - you're not a permie and are getting nothing for your good nature).
            "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
            - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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              #7
              If it's an individual asking you to train them, that's different to say the Dev manager asking you to train one of the team.

              If it's the former I'd politely tell them where to go. "I'm sorry, but my contract here is only for to deliver XXXX. In depth training is not what I'm here for and spending too much time doing this risks the delivery of this project."

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                #8
                Originally posted by FrontEnder View Post
                If it's an individual asking you to train them, that's different to say the Dev manager asking you to train one of the team.

                If it's the former I'd politely tell them where to go. "I'm sorry, but my contract here is only for to deliver XXXX. In depth training is not what I'm here for and spending too much time doing this risks the delivery of this project."
                This, sorry I misread what you said.

                These are individuals asking you not your Client Co engager?

                Tell them to do one (politely).
                The Chunt of Chunts.

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                  #9
                  Isn't it an invoicing opportunity - "Would you train up our staff please?"

                  "Certainly, would you like to explain the scope of what you need. I'll put together a proposal for you."

                  Eh?
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by FrontEnder View Post
                    If it's an individual asking you to train them, that's different to say the Dev manager asking you to train one of the team.

                    If it's the former I'd politely tell them where to go. "I'm sorry, but my contract here is only for to deliver XXXX. In depth training is not what I'm here for and spending too much time doing this risks the delivery of this project."
                    To add to this, if the current one you're mentoring just asked you and it's not been agreed you've agreed to you're potentially breaching your contract.

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