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IR35 determination - EY Confirm Tool
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostIt'll be interesting to see the difference. If you're close enough to the client rep who's answering the tool it would be worth seeing what they answer (or indeed talking to them before they do!)Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Hawkeye View PostI'm going to embark on a qdos review and a EY review.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostThis is the problem with shifting the determination to a third party who benefits from a given outcome who will happily scare the client with fears of back tax, holiday pay claims, sickpay claims, etc.
DaveB - has anyone actually received a result yet and does it match a QDOS assessment? I would suspect that the client rep answering their part of the tool is being led to an inside assessment.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by pacontracting View Postand this is the problem with shifting the liability of IR35 onto the client.
There is no definitive definition of employment but contractors were prepared to take more risk, based on case law, experience and knowledge of their own contracts and HMRC's lack of success in the courts and so on and so would happily fly with an 'undetermined' status or better.
By moving the liability to the end user, they have a much more risk adverse stance and so the majority of the tools out there are going to reflect this and only accept a definitive 'outside', which is actually pretty strict. The fact these vendors have a resourcing arm is the icing in the cake.
Once HMRC have destroyed contractors working through Limited Company's, Department for Work and Pensions are going to come after the Disguised Employers (Umbrella's) so the only route open is permanent employment, even if for six months.
DaveB - has anyone actually received a result yet and does it match a QDOS assessment? I would suspect that the client rep answering their part of the tool is being led to an inside assessment.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Hawkeye View PostThis is worrying. Just been told that my new client uses this tool. Am quite concerned now.
I hear they are ramping up there grad intake this year to replace contractors
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Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View PostThey then check who in EY can replace you before giving the answer
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Originally posted by WavyDavy View PostI fear it will be worse than that...
Pretty soon all this will be forgotten and the “new normal”
The large firms will say, why have I got people I pay pensions, sick pay, holiday pay, health insurance, death-in-service, that I can’t fire or restructure? Why don’t I make them all like the contractors and pay a tiny bit more than salary and not have any of these issues/costs?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by pacontracting View Post
Once HMRC have destroyed contractors working through Limited Company's, Department for Work and Pensions are going to come after the Disguised Employers (Umbrella's) so the only route open is permanent employment, even if for six months.
Pretty soon all this will be forgotten and the “new normal”
The large firms will say, why have I got people I pay pensions, sick pay, holiday pay, health insurance, death-in-service, that I can’t fire or restructure? Why don’t I make them all like the contractors and pay a tiny bit more than salary and not have any of these issues/costs?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View PostThey then check who in EY can replace you before giving the answer
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There is no definitive definition of employment but contractors were prepared to take more risk, based on case law, experience and knowledge of their own contracts and HMRC's lack of success in the courts and so on and so would happily fly with an 'undetermined' status or better.
By moving the liability to the end user, they have a much more risk adverse stance and so the majority of the tools out there are going to reflect this and only accept a definitive 'outside', which is actually pretty strict. The fact these vendors have a resourcing arm is the icing in the cake.
Once HMRC have destroyed contractors working through Limited Company's, Department for Work and Pensions are going to come after the Disguised Employers (Umbrella's) so the only route open is permanent employment, even if for six months.Leave a comment:
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