Britain must say 'no' to eastern European workers, says Cameron

[KentPhilip]

It is? I've seen more meat on a butchers pencil.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a butcher's pencil..

[darmstadt]

You can blame both governments however it is the left who have the grip on the education system. The best way to improve education is to give the consumers the power of choice.

So I take it you bought your degree from a redneck university in Texas via mail order? Consumers currently do have the power of choice, take it or leave it...

What 'both governments' do you exactly mean? As far as I am aware there is only one or are you talking about the 'underground government' that conspiracy theorists believe in. Also the current government are right and they are in charge of education then how comes the left have a grip on it?

[Churchill]

So I take it you bought your degree from a redneck university in Texas via mail order? Consumers currently do have the power of choice, take it or leave it...

What 'both governments' do you exactly mean? As far as I am aware there is only one or are you talking about the 'underground government' that conspiracy theorists believe in. Also the current government are right and they are in charge of education then how comes the left have a grip on it?

Socialist, lefty fcking teachers dominated by their union! Fcking wasters, the lot of 'em.

The teachers of today don't realise/care that they're fcking with people's futures!

[minestrone]

Lets face it, most teachers go into the job because they had limited job opportunities yet we let them in charge of getting our kids up for the job market of the future. It is only ever going to end in disaster.

[DodgyAgent]

So I take it you bought your degree from a redneck university in Texas via mail order? Consumers currently do have the power of choice, take it or leave it...

What 'both governments' do you exactly mean? As far as I am aware there is only one or are you talking about the 'underground government' that conspiracy theorists believe in. Also the current government are right and they are in charge of education then how comes the left have a grip on it?

I meant labour and Tory. Your frivolous take it or leave it point is exactly why we have a problem with our education system.
i am not quite sure what this has to do with "buying degrees"

[original PM]

I fail to see why education is making our kids less hardworking than 'eastern europeans' I think it is more the fact that in 'eastern europe' if you don't work you die

in England if you don't work you get paid......


could be wrong like but....

[CheeseSlice]

I can't understand why so many target the teachers first. They're just the messengers, they have little or no influence over the curriculum they have to teach.

[DodgyAgent]

I can't understand why so many target the teachers first. They're just the messengers, they have little or no influence over the curriculum they have to teach.

Teachers have a huge amount of influence with kids. If you think that they just stand there like lecturers delivering "courses" then maybe you should look back at your own childhood. Teachers for instance can paint positive and negative pictures on work, capitalism, socialism - anything they like. They may not have any say in the curriculum but they certainly have a say in how the curriculum is taught.

[Churchill]

Teachers have a huge amount of influence with kids. If you think that they just stand there like lecturers delivering "courses" then maybe you should look back at your own childhood. Teachers for instance can paint positive and negative pictures on work, capitalism, socialism - anything they like. They may not have any say in the curriculum but they certainly have a say in how the curriculum is taught.

WDAS++;

[darmstadt]

I meant labour and Tory. Your frivolous take it or leave it point is exactly why we have a problem with our education system.
i am not quite sure what this has to do with "buying degrees"

Sorry not frivolous, you put the parents in the position of a consumer therefore you're making the analogy of a child's education to that of buying a product. This means that a parent makes the decision of what education that their offspring are going to get, basically shopping around. Now if you can afford it, you're going to buy the best, but if you can't you make do with what you're provided with which in many cases is not going to be the best. Once upon a time, teaching was seen as a noble profession but due to successive governments and their ignorant politicians meddling with the education system it is now seen as just a 9-5 job, just a job and nothing else. If the government were to listen to teachers and not blank faced civil servants, local town hall busy bodies or their own ego then once again the education system might get back on track.

As a consumer you can buy your education hence the remark that you can buy a degree, whether it be from a 'dodgy' internet university to an Oxbridge establishment.