Who most wants independence for Scotland? The English…

[scooterscot]

More likely that they would move them from Scotland to India, since they were only set up in Scotland as a vote-buying exercise in the first place.

Probably. Exchanging Ken fit like for oh my goodness gracious sir,

[Platypus]

Tosh. The reason call centres are oop north is because nobody in England can speak English properly.

Tosh, it's to create jobs in Scotland, thereby securing Labour's popularity in Scotland.

[scooterscot]

Tosh, it's to create jobs in Scotland, thereby securing Labour's popularity in Scotland.

Thanks for reminding me why I never voted Labour.

[shaunbhoy]

Tosh. The reason call centres are oop north is because nobody in England can speak English properly.

Utter tosh continues when you consider we have call centres in India but you're going to move them back down the road 300 miles to England? Why is that? Because their cheaper to operate perhaps?!

We await for more verbal diarrhoea I only wish I could get my hands on some Pepto-Bismol before your next post arrives...

Oh the ironing!!

[DodgyAgent]

Why does a country not totalling more than 5 million and whose people generally enjoy good relations with nearly every country in the world need a nuclear deterrent let alone maintain one?

A perfect example of an utterly failed argument.



Tosh. The reason call centres are oop north is because nobody in England can speak English properly.

Utter tosh continues when you consider we have call centres in India but you're going to move them back down the road 300 miles to England? Why is that? Because their cheaper to operate perhaps?!

We await for more verbal diarrhoea I only wish I could get my hands on some Pepto-Bismol before your next post arrives...

It is not a question of whether a Nuclear deterrent is necessary you total utter tool. The fact is that there is a Nuclear powered submarine fleet along with trident missiles that are held and supported in Scotland employing thousands of workers. Scotland can take its unilateral disarmament stance and get rid of these, but in doing so all the jobs will be lost or relocated to the UK.

The same applies to the call centres. Whether the jobs are relocated to England or India is irrelevant they will not be kept in Scotland, unless Scotland can make a business case against India to outsource them. Unless the Scots can compete on price with India the UK would bring the jobs back.

[Goatfell]

It is not a question of whether a Nuclear deterrent is necessary you total utter tool. The fact is that there is a Nuclear powered submarine fleet along with trident missiles that are held and supported in Scotland employing thousands of workers. Scotland can take its unilateral disarmament stance and get rid of these, but in doing so all the jobs will be lost or relocated to the UK.


The same applies to the call centres. Whether the jobs are relocated to England or India is irrelevant they will not be kept in Scotland, unless Scotland can make a business case against India to outsource them. Unless the Scots can compete on price with India the UK would bring the jobs back.

Quite so, but if you look at the wider picture:
(a) a new location would have to be identified that could offer the same strategic advantages at Faslane/Coulport; out of the way, deep-water anchorage, local(ish) skill sets etc. Let's face somewhere like Portsmouth is a non-starter on practically every level.
(b) it's going to take many years to even get planning permission to locate the new base, Cumbria's a possibility on the above criteria, which might please KimberleyChris.
(c) it's going to take time to build and commision the new base.

This would mean that there would be at least 10-15 years for a handover and that's a long, long time in politics. Who knows the Chinese might put in a bid to take it over as an Atlantic outpost, much like Diego Garcia or Okinawa...


As regards to call centres, not many companies can compete with India on price, change that to value for money and it's a different story though (WIPRO anyone?)

Oh, and UK and England are not interchangeable terms

[KimberleyChris]

"a) a new location would have to be identified that could offer the same strategic advantages at Faslane/Coulport; out of the way, deep-water anchorage, local(ish) skill sets etc. Let's face somewhere like Portsmouth is a non-starter on practically every level.
(b) it's going to take many years to even get planning permission to locate the new base, Cumbria's a possibility on the above criteria, which might please KimberleyChris."

Thanks. Yes, it would be a bit of a grin.

Especially as they are built in Barrow-in-Furness in the first place.

The only drawback is that the Eastern Irish Sea is pretty shallow (about 90 feet) so the subs won't be able to 'vanish' like they do when leaving the Clyde.

[DodgyAgent]

Quite so, but if you look at the wider picture:
(a) a new location would have to be identified that could offer the same strategic advantages at Faslane/Coulport; out of the way, deep-water anchorage, local(ish) skill sets etc. Let's face somewhere like Portsmouth is a non-starter on practically every level.
(b) it's going to take many years to even get planning permission to locate the new base, Cumbria's a possibility on the above criteria, which might please KimberleyChris.
(c) it's going to take time to build and commision the new base.

This would mean that there would be at least 10-15 years for a handover and that's a long, long time in politics. Who knows the Chinese might put in a bid to take it over as an Atlantic outpost, much like Diego Garcia or Okinawa...


As regards to call centres, not many companies can compete with India on price, change that to value for money and it's a different story though (WIPRO anyone?)

Oh, and UK and England are not interchangeable terms

From a practical point of view I agree with your comments re Rosyth and I am sure that Salmond knows this and thinks he will be able to bargain with it. Moving public sector jobs that support the UK (and I mean England, wales and N.Ireland) will happen. Scotland obviously will run its own (huge) public sector. However Scotland simply has no substantial public sector to support its own economy. It is this reason why we English want rid of the Scots we no longer wish to support them. The Scots living in England are bitterly opposed to Independence because they don't suffer from the inferiority complexes of their homeland population.

[scooterscot]

"a) a new location would have to be identified that could offer the same strategic advantages at Faslane/Coulport; out of the way, deep-water anchorage, local(ish) skill sets etc. Let's face somewhere like Portsmouth is a non-starter on practically every level.
(b) it's going to take many years to even get planning permission to locate the new base, Cumbria's a possibility on the above criteria, which might please KimberleyChris."

Thanks. Yes, it would be a bit of a grin.

Especially as they are built in Barrow-in-Furness in the first place.

The only drawback is that the Eastern Irish Sea is pretty shallow (about 90 feet) so the subs won't be able to 'vanish' like they do when leaving the Clyde.

From a practical point of view I agree with your comments re Rosyth and I am sure that Salmond knows this and thinks he will be able to bargain with it. Moving public sector jobs that support the UK (and I mean England, wales and N.Ireland) will happen. Scotland obviously will run its own (huge) public sector. However Scotland simply has no substantial public sector to support its own economy. It is this reason why we English want rid of the Scots we no longer wish to support them. The Scots living in England are bitterly opposed to Independence because they don't suffer from the inferiority complexes of their homeland population.

You really are starting to struggle for credible arguments now. I had to read that twice over, lost and confused is the only description that can be given; nothing of substance as usual.

Not to mention you completely lost the argument for a strategic location for the nuclear deterrent. Why would a UK government without Scotland choose to relocate them? Even if independence were gained the facility would be leased for ages and ages until other options presented themselves. You really think the entire fleet would be relocated in the next 18 months?

You make our history sound like relationship between Israel and Palestine whilst forgetting the previous 300 years of history. The country has since evolved and SNP only want to control it's own finances in a manner that's very different to Westminster.

Aim high land somewhere in-between. You'll never learn will you?

[shaunbhoy]

The Scots living in England are bitterly opposed to Independence because they don't suffer from the inferiority complexes of their homeland population.

I don't recall petitioning you to speak upon my behalf DA?

As it happens, if I still lived there then I would probably vote to stay within the Union. However I am quite content to accept whatever result the people now living there (and let us not forget, that also includes a great many English people) should democratically come up with.
Similarly, I would have no problem with the people of England voting to be independent of the Union if that were the majority opinion.
I firmly believe we are stronger if we all stick together, but let democracy have its say.
It is what generations of my family have fought to preserve, the right to self determination.