Originally posted by Mich the Tester
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ULTRA-DOOM!!! Italy's 10 year bond rate breaches 7%
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no idea, BTW looks like Italy are going to get bent over and give a good rodgering by the markets. -
8% now.Originally posted by russell View Postno idea, BTW looks like Italy are going to get bent over and give a good rodgering by the markets.
Lube up my Italian chums
Knock first as I might be balancing my chakras.Comment
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Originally posted by CheeseSlice View PostFor those of us less savvy on government bond markets, what does this mean?Aww, Sas. I hoped you'd have let russell fumble some attempt at an answer first.Originally posted by sasguru View PostIt simply means investors are scared that Italian government debt is unsafe (or simply seee better places to put their money) and so the markets are demanding Italy pay 7% interest on its debts (loans if you like).
Now if you owe trillions, paying 7% is not doable, as interest payments are in the billions a year.
That's the gist, there are various subtleties.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Just hit 9%.Originally posted by suityou01 View Post8% now.
Lube up my Italian chums
Dominos now offering 2 for 1 and a free bottle of coke!What happens in General, stays in General.You know what they say about assumptions!Comment
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I think Sas explained it OK, I would have done better but his was adequate.Originally posted by d000hg View PostAww, Sas. I hoped you'd have let russell fumble some attempt at an answer first.
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Its at 7.44200 I think the 9% is the increase today?Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostJust hit 9%.
Dominos now offering 2 for 1 and a free bottle of coke!Comment
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Yesterday the consensus was that Italy would be screwed if yields reach 7%... which they have done today.
"With Italian yields now at 7.4% (at 11am), Italy will need a bailout if prices were to stay even roughly were they are."... until when?
But is there a critical date which will crystalise the problem, e.g. a rollover date on debt repayments or something like that?
I can't frankly be arsed searching the web for this, and I know what a HUGELY well-informed bunch inhabit this cyber-island of knowledge.
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WHSOriginally posted by Mich the Tester View Post...making it more likely that they can't maintain the payments on the money they do borrow, thereby forcing the yields even higher, making it even more likely they can't pay, and ultimately the holders of those bonds lose their money, or the public get sick of the whole bloody thing and revolt, and the holders of bonds lose their money. It all looks to me like a self fulfilling prophecy, and while I'm generally a supporter or free markets, I can understand why the middle classes in Europe and the US are starting to question the wisdom of it all.Speaking gibberish on internet talkboards since last Michaelmas. Plus here on TwitterComment
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It's not like the whole debt pile just became 7.4% FFS.Originally posted by Tensai View PostYesterday the consensus was that Italy would be screwed if yields reach 7%... which they have done today.
"With Italian yields now at 7.4% (at 11am), Italy will need a bailout if prices were to stay even roughly were they are."... until when?
But is there a critical date which will crystalise the problem, e.g. a rollover date on debt repayments or something like that?
I can't frankly be arsed searching the web for this, and I know what a HUGELY well-informed bunch inhabit this cyber-island of knowledge.
What happens in General, stays in General.You know what they say about assumptions!Comment
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They periodically auction new bonds in order to borrow more money (partially to repay the last lot) and everytime that happens they need to pay the new interest rate.Originally posted by Tensai View PostBut is there a critical date which will crystalise the problem, e.g. a rollover date on debt repayments or something like that?
I can't frankly be arsed searching the web for this, and I know what a HUGELY well-informed bunch inhabit this cyber-island of knowledge.
While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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