Islam, the Religion of Peace

[xoggoth]

"I condemn them without reservation, these people are less representative of Muslims than the BNP are of the British people."

The BNP and Islamic extremism are not comparable. I never recall seeing in any BNP march or demo, banners demanding killing. I never saw anything remotely like that even in NF leaflets before all the race hate laws came in. In those channel4 exposures, although Griffin and others had no idea they were being filmed, nothing along those violent lines either, racist yes, but only of the "get out of our country" variety. Even in graphitti by sink estate scum I have seen, * get out, * leave our country etc but again, never any death threats.

Isn't it just amazing that such a tiny tiny minority of extreme Muslims should all happen to be in the same place at the same time!!

[Fungus]

The BNP and Islamic extremism are not comparable. I never recall seeing in any BNP march or demo, banners demanding killing. I never saw anything remotely like that even in NF leaflets before all the race hate laws came in. In those channel4 exposures, although Griffin and others had no idea they were being filmed, nothing along those violent lines either, racist yes, but only of the "get out of our country" variety. Even in graphitti by sink estate scum I have seen, * get out, * leave our country etc but again, never any death threats.

Isn't it just amazing that such a tiny tiny minority of extreme Muslims should all happen to be in the same place at the same time!!

Ever heard of Combat 18? It is a now banned group that would commit race crimes, and were I believe inciting murder. There's quite a few such groups about. Funny thing is, they are banned. But a group of bearded pork shirkers carrying banners calling for the slaughter of innocent westerners are able to march in public.

[Dundeegeorge]

Hmnn, thinks...

But a group of bearded pork shirkers carrying banners calling for the slaughter of innocent westerners are able to march in public.

Would that be carried out in a halal style, I wonder?

[Lucifer Box]

Another mealy mouther fecker lined up from the government this morning on Radio 4, Peter Hain. Words to the effect of "the police are professionals and know what they are doing. We should respect their judgement. I'm sure if any action is necessary it will be taken. The police's primary concern is public safety, not necessarily enforcement of the law". Sickening.

Still, at least they managed to arrest two journalists who had a leaflet containing a copy of the "offensive" cartoons, "in order to prevent a breach of the peace".

On those lines, apparently in one of the papers this morning, there is a cartoon of two policemen giving a guy a speeding ticket while behind them a bunch of bearded fanatics walk past with banners proclaiming "Behead All Infidels" and the like.

[wobbegong]

I've had a dark sense of forboding for some time now, regarding Islam vs. "the West". With each passing day the pot seems to be simmering more and more noisily. I think it's only a matter of time before the conflict comes out of the shadows and kicks off big time.

I hope I'm wrong.

[AlfredJPruffock]

I've had a dark sense of forboding for some time now, regarding Islam vs. "the West". With each passing day the pot seems to be simmering more and more noisily. I think it's only a matter of time before the conflict comes out of the shadows and kicks off big time.

I hope I'm wrong.

Actually I think you are probably wrong , however there are those whom no doubt would love to antagonize or demonize the Muslims for their own political agenda, and on other side there are Muslims who would love to antoganize or demonize the West.

Dontcha just love extremists ?

[Lucifer Box]

however there are those whom no doubt would love to antagonize or demonize the Muslims for their own political agenda

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of that themselves.

[Dr Evil]

As somebody said, where were the offended protesters when muslim groups distributed a video of an infidel having his head cut off in the name of Islam?

It's not in the nature of those in this country to 'protest' unless there is a really pressing reason to do so. There are other places in the world where protests are a common site almost every day (the French have no such inhibitions).

There are various groups which have learned through experience that the 'squeaky wheel gets the oil' and as a result takes every opportunity to squeak!!! This country needs to stand up to this sort of behaviour but I personally don't think this is the killer issue on which to do that - there's far too much ambiguity in a 'free speech' debate to nail anyone to anything. (Get ready to duck and cover).

Curiously and as a related aside - seems as if it's primarily second generation and (overzealous) recent converts who are the ones taking part in the protests. I'm not seeing much in the way of older Muslims in the protests or am I missing something here?

[AlfredJPruffock]

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of that themselves.

Yet look at the current politcal landscape, all seems a tad conveneint to me , then again there the opening of the Iranian Oil Bourse end of March we now see the finger is on the trigger ...


The US and Israel have refused to rule out air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, reiterated this yesterday. He said this was partly because of Mr Ahmadinejad's approach to Israel. "Any government that says Israel has no right to exist is making a statement about its possible behaviour in the future," he said.

But Abdolrahim Moussavi, head of Iran's joint chiefs of staff, warned that any military strike would be useless. "We are not seeking a military confrontation, but if that happens we will give the enemy a lesson that will be remembered throughout history," he said.

Now either Iran is bluffing and will just have to absorb these stikes, or they may already have the bomb bought off the shelf from several possible sources, or something else we are completly unaware of ... or again perhaps just empty rhetoric.

Either way we are approaching an interesting rubycon of History, I do hope you have checked your insurance polices and have a six months supply of essentials.


May your Lord be with you.

Alf Strangelove

[Churchill]

Alfie.

Even Pravda reckon it's gonna happen...

Pravda - English

Russia plays a significant role in Iran's growing defensive capacity. Russia assisted Iran in launching its first satellite, the Sinah-1, which can perform the functions of a spy satellite too. Moscow also agreed to deliver Tor-M1 air defense complexes to Iran last week. To crown it all, Iran's entire nuclear program is being conducted with the participation of Russian specialists.

The majority of experts believe, however, that Israel will eventually cancel its plans to attack Iran in early spring of 2006. First off, Tehran is capable of striking a very powerful blow on Israel. In addition, an air raid on Iran will deprive Israel of the international support. Most likely, Ariel Sharon simply decided to intimidate the bellicose Iranian president and exercise his political will and determination on the threshold of the election campaign in Israel.