These people who support Raoul Moat and think he's some kind of hero ....

[SupremeSpod]

hard, whisky drinking, southern poshies.

HTH

I've sh!t harder stuff than you.

[shaunbhoy]

Surely when a gearbox fails you blame the designers, not the cogs.

It seems to me that after it finally implodes the welfare state will be seen, like communism, as a failed experiment in social engineering.

Well if the cogs took it upon themselves to start stress-testing the rest of the gearbox then they deserve their share of the blame. However, the designers need a good shoeing as well!!!

[shaunbhoy]

Most of these "feckless, workshy, sponging layabouts" would work their arse off for £200 a day

Well in fact, most of them would not. "Working their arse off" is an alien concept to them.
But were it true, the rest of your wishy-washy handwringing nonsense would hold water, I'll grant you that.

[doodab]

Having done that, it at least gives you some structure to your day.

And £46.40 is better than nothing.

At least for a while.

I have worked for a lot less. These days I would need to be fairly desperate to jump at the chance.

[doodab]

Well in fact, most of them would not. "Working their arse off" is an alien concept to them.

Most of them are capable of an 8-10 hour shift on the playstation. I'm sure that could be extended to operating heavy machinery.

[milanbenes]

Rates are OK right now, but I made a few bob in the past on a software company that I helped to form and then sold my share; nothing huge, but enough to be fairly comfortable.

nice one.

Milan.

[minestrone]

I do not know why people want to rebel when the system can be manipulated so easily to one's advantage if you know how to play the game.

[vetran]

Poppycock.

22 years ago when I earned £25 a week on YTS with a 60 hour week including college time (which I paid £200 a year for, so 8 weeks money). Plenty of my friends were on the dole either as a lifestyle choice (travellers or failed students living at home) or as part of the 'informal economy' even then their bosses let them have Thursday morning off to sign on. Now its the same but with the extra benefit of being able to collect more in benefits than they could possibly earn from their own efforts if they breed.

Welfare to work sorts both of these, can't come too soon.

Many abusers of the dole were 'posh' but some were from estates, this seems to have changed to lower class dole bludgers, maybe I live in a more chavvy circle now?

Many of the successful businessmen I know came from council estates but worked hard.

My family were from goodish stock but we ate costco beans to survive as most of our money went to building the business which supported a dozen staff to a better standard than we lived in. Now its making reasonable money everyone says you are lucky, cobblers it was hard work for my parents who eat,slept & dreamt work.

Mate of mine got a job a couple of weeks ago having been out of work for 6 months and desperate to find one. Problem was as a lorry driver everyone was offering NMW and if he took the jobs his benefits would be cut so his family would be turfed out of home. Not a silver spoon in sight but desperate to work.

Anyone supporting a murderer as a hero with the possible exclusion of ancient roman etc emperors is mad.

[sasguru]

I've sh!t harder stuff than you.

That's because you're a salad dodger.

HTH

[SupremeSpod]

That's because you're a salad dodger.

HTH

Nope, it's because you're a deluded soft twat. Nice try though.