uk police state wants to hold suspects for 3 months without charge

[sappatz]

blairite state

with this kind of governement behavior, jail without judgment, in other words arbitrary detention, is considered normal.

french resistance fighters during WWII were also called "terrorists" for their actions. maybe they should be jailed also if they are still alive ?
the US-sponsored terrorists (eg the contras in nicaragua) were labelled as "freedom fighters" by the US propaganda machine. jail them also.

look at the following : the bastards are already trying to criminalize tought and free speech in the UK universities :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4248360.stm

HEIL BLAIR !

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The UK government is encouraging university chiefs to watch out for extremists on campuses and report suspicious people to the authorities.

Education Secretary Ruth Kelly said they should protect free thinking but inform police of "unacceptable behaviour" by students or staff.

As she spoke Home Secretary Charles Clarke was giving details of proposed measures against glorifying terrorism.

There has been concern that ministers are seeking to "criminalise thought".

And this combined with the ability to detain people without charge, without sight of the evidence against them, and without trial. Feck's sake - this is Nazi Germany all over again! Never mind, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear from New Labour's one party police state.

[vista]

Oh dear

If it were just terrorists that would be locked up it'd be fine but it won't just be terrorists will it?

[Not So Wise]

Blindly trust police and the state? Are you nuts?
Police and state officials are human beings (well police are, politicians i sometimes wonder), with their in built petty loves, hates, ambitions, presures racial/sexual prejudices and limitations.

For this very reason no free intelligent society makes any one of them individually judge,jury and executioner. Even with all the checks and balances (in some ways to many) the innocent still get jailed time and time again, be 100 times worse if this was changed

And really lets look at the that time period, 3 months. Why that amount of time? Hell if they have so little evidence why are they arresting someone in the first place?

Because they "believe" someone might be a terrorist? Law unlike religion is not meant to be about belief. It's meant to be about facts. And if they cannot get the facts in a few days i highly doubt they will get them in 3 months. While i do beleive police should have a bit more time if they think someone is a clear and present danger or they beleive they will flee, this period should never go beyond 7/14 days, if by that time they cannot get something to convince a judge (note judge, a trained profesional that gets to see everything not just what the defence cannot block from evidence like in a jury trial) that there is a case to answer for (note again not "proof of guilt") then i seriously doubt they ever will.

Only way powers like this would every be controled and acceptable to me is if they get the powers, arrest someone, keep them for months and then release them without charge (As the US goverment is constantly doing in guantalamo) the person could then turn around and receive huge automatic compensation from the goverment for false imprisonment (if they did not manage to get evidence in 3 months pretty much means it was false imprisonment in my books). This would be the only thing that would make them think twice before exersiing these powers.

Otherwise it would be just giving them right to do whatever they want, destroy the life of whoever they want, whenever they want with no risk, cost or loss to themselves

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Why not go the whole hog and pronouce everyone guilty and then have a trail to allow the innocent free?

[xoggoth]

Listening to news tonight, some Muslim spokesman on suicide bombers in Israel & Iraq and thinking I agree with nearly everything he almost said. If I put myself in position of a Palestinian in land occupied by the god-awful Isrealis or an Iraqi in land occupied by US/UK forces I might well do the same. They are permitted no official army, so what resistance to occupation of their countries do they have but "terrorism"?

By government thinking I must be a terrorist sympathiser. Hell no!, if I had my way and believed it was practical, I would kick every Muslim out of our country because I believe in nationalism. I believe that for the people of any country (NOT just ours) having a culture of its own is immensely important, more important than economic prosperity beyond a certain minimum.

Goverrnment thinking on what is and is not supporting terrorism is simplistic nonsense.

PS George Galloway is on now. Hell, I agree with him too.

[The Lone Gunman]

Chico, you still fail to answer the bottom line question.

How do you know these people are terrorists?

If our state forces are so good then how come they shot a Brazilian spark on his way to work.

I dont mind giving the police powers to detain or arrest for as long as they want, but there is a burden of proof to support those powers.

[BobTheCrate]

The police are answerable to the state and the state is answerable to the electorate.

WHOOPS !

The police here are suppose to be answerable to the LAW. You might well say the Law and the State are the same thing but the difference is actually a little more than subtle.

Extending Police custody to a maximum of 3 months by default is begging for the Police to eventually use this as a weapon against those it is not meant to be directed against.

I agree there are going to be occassions the Police should be able to extend the custody. This should still be the exception though, not the rule, at least for the time being. And as such I see no reason why the POT act cannot be modified to accommodate Police applying to a court to have the custody extended. The court I'd of thought is capable of making a rational decision.

[DimPrawn]

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