Road Tax future – crushing High Emissions car prices.

[Likely]

I'm working on Parker's at the minute (you know the car price people) and their website is being inundated with comments from angry punters who are claiming they'll need to sell their car because it's going up another 200 a year from 2010.

They obviously don't realise that 200 will be two tanks of unleaded by then, and is such a trifle it's hardly worth worrying about compared with the running costs.

Do you think that due to the new TAX levels , second-hand high CO2 emissions cars would experience steep fall in their prices hence making you lose Ks and Ks when you sell your car . ? BMW for example now have lowered the CO2 accross their range.

[Bagpuss]

The government is targeting an average of 140 CO2 emissions over the next few years.
The VED rates will jump significantly for higher emission cars – 200 plus. ( A 200 plus car would be taxed 210 GBP from next year and 300 from 2010 , and god knows what after )

So , not a good time to buy 200 CO2 plus car …… Prices are likely for steep drops.

http://www.motorstoday.co.uk/CAR-TAX...EBOMB.568.news

Steep drop because road tax will be £300 in 2 years? You're avin a larf
Have you heard of inelasticity of demand? See petrol, cigs.


Assume most cars in this bracket are 2.0 litre plus, so cars 15k plus when new. Is an extra £100 a year going to put people off buying them? Or are the motorways to be full of 1.2 Yaris and diesels?

The cars in the highest band are mainly luxury/prestige cars. The tax hit on these cars will not deter the people who buy them.

[DimPrawn]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...otoring104.xml

Another common ploy to cut costs over the long term is to opt for a diesel over a petrol model. Average petrol consumption is 39 miles per gallon, compared with diesel at 45 miles per gallon, according to www.moneysupermarket.com.

Yet the advantage of diesel is no longer clear cut as its price is rising faster than petrol and putting a dent in drivers' pockets. Mr Howard said: "You pay about £1,000 more for a diesel than a petrol version, and whether you make savings depends on how long you keep driving for."

Mr Newhouse said: "With fuel prices as they are, a 12,000-mile-a-year driver would only save £57 a year by opting for diesel."

[Bagpuss]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...otoring104.xml

Another common ploy to cut costs over the long term is to opt for a diesel over a petrol model. Average petrol consumption is 39 miles per gallon, compared with diesel at 45 miles per gallon, according to www.moneysupermarket.com.

Yet the advantage of diesel is no longer clear cut as its price is rising faster than petrol and putting a dent in drivers' pockets. Mr Howard said: "You pay about £1,000 more for a diesel than a petrol version, and whether you make savings depends on how long you keep driving for."

Mr Newhouse said: "With fuel prices as they are, a 12,000-mile-a-year driver would only save £57 a year by opting for diesel."

Based on manufacturers consumption figures which are more inaccurate for petrol. Have a look at the 3 common figures for consumption, urban, extra urban, can't remember the other (constant 56?).

Petrol will vary the most. If you do long journeys at a constant speed then he's probably right. If you do a mixture of town and motorway and use the accelerator and brakes like an on off switch he's most def wrong.

[TimberWolf]

Aren't diesel engines more reliable though?

[Bagpuss]

Aren't diesel engines more reliable though?

They last longer but need servicing more often.

So who here has an old volvo diesel running on chip fat?
I must admit I am tempted to do this for my weekly commute.

[Likely]

Steep drop because road tax will be £300 in 2 years? You're avin a larf
Have you heard of inelasticity of demand? See petrol, cigs.


Assume most cars in this bracket are 2.0 litre plus, so cars 15k plus when new. Is an extra £100 a year going to put people off buying them? Or are the motorways to be full of 1.2 Yaris and diesels?

The cars in the highest band are mainly luxury/prestige cars. The tax hit on these cars will not deter the people who buy them.

There will be steep drop among current high emissions ( 200 CO2 ) cars . The reason is not only 100 £ more road tax.

Newer models are much more efficient both in Emissions and Fuel Consumption. ( BMW Efficient Dynamics you heard of have you ? )

Newer models being more efficient still offer similar acceleration due to improvements in the Engine. This will make buying 200 CO2 engines ( acceleration ~ 6 - 7 secs ) inefficient due to the availability of the improved engines. For example current 320 D / 325 D is as fast as 3 years old 325i. Yet the newer one offers much better mileage and CO2.

Newer models will become more and more efficient with hybrids.

[VectraMan]

Newer models will become more and more efficient with hybrids.

There's still potentially a long way to go, with internal combustion engines being 20-30% efficient at best.

There was something on Working Lunch the other day about capturing the exhaust heat and using it to heat water and driving a second steam engine (no, I'm not joking). A company have developed this system, and they were saying their first application is for refrigerated lorries which typically have a second engine in the trailer to drive the refrigeration, but would instead use the steam engine to drive the trailer. But they were saying they'd have a system that could be fitted to cars within a couple of years giving you a petrol-steam hybrid.

There's also pleanty of research going on into capturing the energy (i.e. heat) lost by the brakes. It's something the FIA are pushing to be included into formula one.

[Bagpuss]

There will be steep drop among current high emissions ( 200 CO2 ) cars . The reason is not only 100 £ more road tax.

Newer models are much more efficient both in Emissions and Fuel Consumption. ( BMW Efficient Dynamics you heard of have you ? )

Newer models being more efficient still offer similar acceleration due to improvements in the Engine. This will make buying 200 CO2 engines ( acceleration ~ 6 - 7 secs ) inefficient due to the availability of the improved engines. For example current 320 D / 325 D is as fast as 3 years old 325i. Yet the newer one offers much better mileage and CO2.

Newer models will become more and more efficient with hybrids.

BMW efficient dynamics, what a load of tosh, their cars have always emmited high C02, so now they lower it a bit and call it efficient dynamics.

A new >200 CO2 car will put out less emmisions than a 7 year old car supposedly <200. Yet the seven year old car will be deemed better for the environment, but it's not just CO2 that causes pollution.

Petrol heads will always want fast cars as long as they are available. You won't push them into a diesel or town car for the sake of a 27p a day saving in road tax.

[DiscoStu]

Here is my proposal for the fairest way to set road tax.

Add it to the price of fuel. This has many advantages over our current system is seems like a no brainer to me. Those who use the most fuel and therefore cause the most pollution / use the roads most pay more. Nobody can evade the tax. No expensive civil servants and IT systems in Swansea are needed to administrate it.

So why don't we do it...?