Are we in a new age of Islamo-fascism?

[snaw]

We all realise that the suicide bombers are not indicative of muslims as a whole. Personally I have nothing against muslims per se; what I do object to is the preferential treatment they receive from our Government. I also objected to the fact that, on the very day of the bombings, a senior muslim was demanding extra Police protection for Muslims

What preferrential treatment? And why not increase protcetion - doesn't take a genius to figure out that the right wing nutjobs amongst are gonna be targetting Muslims after something like this. Targetted policing at the areas under threat, seems quite sensible to me.

[snaw]

Not at all. John was depicting a sector of a society that appears to have conflicting values with ours and the fact that some of those traditions from that society here in the UK are impinging on ours.

You can say things like that snaw without upsetting your comrades you know...

So what, he used a bunch of extreme examples from Saudi Arabia to highlight this? I'm not disagreeing that there are cultural issues for Muslims living in the west. They're not insurmountable by any means.

JG can say wahetever he wants, I don't recall saying how dare you say that. I'm just stating a different opinion. I don't expect you to agree with it.

[hyperD]

I'm not disagreeing that there are cultural issues for Muslims living in the west. They're not insurmountable by any means.

I think any cultural extremism in any society can be a much bigger problem than people realise.

JG can say wahetever he wants, I don't recall saying how dare you say that. I'm just stating a different opinion. I don't expect you to agree with it.

However, it was the way you said it as usual, snaw. You reacted in context with your left-leaning roots making a connection between what JG said, to "you dont like muslims very much" and then "seems to be a lot of hate going around" rather than following on with something constructive.

[The Lone Gunman]

What preferrential treatment? And why not increase protcetion - doesn't take a genius to figure out that the right wing nutjobs amongst are gonna be targetting Muslims after something like this. Targetted policing at the areas under threat, seems quite sensible to me.

I dont understand you Snaw. You seem to be suggesting that it is right to protect Muslims from our nutters but it is not right to propose protection for us from their nutters.

On your other point, tarring same brush etc.... (I am assuming you include me).
I dont. I see a number of issues.

Issue 1. Terrorism.
I do not suggest at all that many Muslims would agree or support the bombings and terrorism that has been performed in the name of Islam.

Issue 2. "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance".
I absolutely disagree with this statement. On a day to day basis sure all is peace and harmony, but as I have posted a number of times the Islamic manifesto is writ large in the Koran.

[Not So Wise]

I dont understand you Snaw. You seem to be suggesting that it is right to protect Muslims from our nutters but it is not right to propose protection for us from their nutters.

And what you seem to be suggesting, because the security services failed to protect us from "their nutters" they should not try to protect them from "our nutters"

[John Galt]

What preferrential treatment? And why not increase protcetion - doesn't take a genius to figure out that the right wing nutjobs amongst are gonna be targetting Muslims after something like this. Targetted policing at the areas under threat, seems quite sensible to me.

Snaw, do you not think that it is human nature for people to feel a certain animosity towards Muslims at the moment as some of their number are responsible for 2 terrorist attacks on London? For Muslims to demand extra protection so soon after the event increases this animosity - rightly or wrongly. I also feel that Muslims in the UK have done very little to integrate with British culture - probably because their culture is so intrinsically (?) different. I also feel that acceptance would be far more forthcoming if they requested or asked rather than demanded

[snaw]

Snaw, do you not think that it is human nature for people to feel a certain animosity towards Muslims at the moment as some of their number are responsible for 2 terrorist attacks on London? For Muslims to demand extra protection so soon after the event increases this animosity - rightly or wrongly. I also feel that Muslims in the UK have done very little to integrate with British culture - probably because their culture is so intrinsically (?) different. I also feel that acceptance would be far more forthcoming if they requested or asked rather than demanded

Yes it is human nature to feel that - pretty sure everyone has but then when I personalise it to actual people I know who are muslim I've no desire to wish them any harm. They're just people, like anyone else and by and large most muslims (like most people) are good, law abiding people.

Muslim culture isn't one that really appeals to me personally, but my own beliefs are that as long as you harm no one else then you should be happy to get on with your life as you see fit. I live in London, with lot's of cultures around and I like it that way. In fact I'd say the 'traditional Britain' had no culture, but instead had lot's of cultures (Countries, regional etc), and the muslims I know are 2nd/3rd generation and outside of their religion (Which most aren't too strict on) they're as British as fish and chips & cups of tea.

You don't, fair enough, that's your opinion and unless you get abusive towards someone else then you're entitled to it.

[sasguru]

Hmmm

I agree with some of what u say Snaw. I too like London for its various cultures and vibrancy. I have travelled widely but have not come across as exciting a place as London. However there are now some 2nd and 3rd generation British Muslims who are traitors in the true sense of the word - they would wish harm on their home country. I suspect the 4 who caused such grief are not the only ones. To these so-called "Brits", I say there are 56 muslim countries you can **** off to to create your perfect Muslim society.

Interestingly enough, having lived for a year up North, I noticed the ghettoised nature of communities there. Fanatical muslims would probably like that model better and probably hate London because of the relative integration that happens here.

[Board Game Geek]

Outlaw Religion

It's the only way.

Educate people that religion is a divisive and subversive tool, that spreads intolerance and oppression.

And before the religious folks start saying "Yes, But Through the Christian <or whatever> Charity we raised £XYZ to build 100 wells in some African country, so our religion isn't bad", I would have to ask the following....

Why do you need a religious framework to underpin good work around the world ? Good deeds should come from within, not because some archaic text tells you to do them in the name of your faith.

Can you not do good deeds without your religion to instruct you beforehand ?

[datestamp]

Islam cannot live peacefully in the same world with civilisation. anyone who tells you differently is lying to you.

Oh, so Christians, Muslims and Jews living together in reasonable harmony for 700 years in "El Andaluse" in Spain is a complete myth then?