Oh Dear: Is there any other country in Europe where this would cause outrage ?

[wendigo100]

This is households, Mine is 2 but our productivity was 5. So 7 of us live in 6 households - Just over 1 per household - get it?

I must admit CD, I couldn't get my head around that either.

You really need to communicate better.

[Causus Deli]

Even if your figures were correct (and that looks dubious) what would you do about it? These are citizens of your country you are talking about.

Please feel free to be as specific as possible as I simply do not understand what you are alluding to.

I would not allow immigration through marriage. Said before, once here and British passported and not on a visa then they are welcome. All others clear out apart from the top 10% or so of professional EU/US/Jpn people. How can you love someone who you don't know and doesn't speak the same language and has no social aspects in common. No this is their culture and we should not accept it, it is alien to us. We are allowing young girls to be forced against their will to marry someone they don't even know.

[sasguru]

I must admit CD, I couldn't get my head around that either.

You really need to communicate better.

Well better communication would imply logic and reason, but that is not really what CD is about, don't you think?

[Causus Deli]

1. Why do you stubbornly hold on on to the >3 number in the face of all evidence?
2. What is the arranged marriage rate? You seem to suggest that most ethnic minorities "marry from home". My anecdotal evidence (ethnic minority people I know born in the Uk) suggests that they are highly resistant to "marrying from home".
3. I thought we were examining the numbers. Let's leave the racism issue for now.
4. Re: violent crime - you have added this issue without resolving the first. That is not the way to get at the facts.

Look you chose some houshold data to pin your flag on, I showed this was a nonsense. You did not source yours as I diodn't mine. As I say office of stats just ain't good enough and if you had been a regular visitor you will know just how complicated it is to find the data and once found to ensure they are not biased by recording methods. So where is this overwhelming proof oh nonsense follower?

Now the Indian birthrate (educated) is lower but the Other Asians do not want education they want their own state with their own language and laws. The unemployment rate amongst Indians is comparable with whites but that of Muslims (generalisation) is 3 times that of whites. They don't try in general.

[sasguru]

Look you chose some houshold data to pin your flag on, I showed this was a nonsense. You did not source yours as I diodn't mine. As I say office of stats just ain't good enough and if you had been a regular visitor you will know just how complicated it is to find the data and once found to ensure they are not biased by recording methods. So where is this overwhelming proof oh nonsense follower?.

I leave the esteemed members of the forum to judge the sense of what are you saying. I am sure they will give it the respect it deserves.

Now the Indian birthrate (educated) is lower but the Other Asians do not want education they want their own state with their own language and laws. The unemployment rate amongst Indians is comparable with whites but that of Muslims (generalisation) is 3 times that of whites. They don't try in general
?.

I agree there seems to be a specific "Islamic problem".

[Causus Deli]

O, this is truly pathetic, now. Apart from no attempt to justify or correct the poor arithmetic in the last post, let's look at this gem:

'He did and you quoted 40% of banglas had 4+ kids without source (office of stats not good enough). I will research that this evening. But even on that the average will likely be >3 (remember 40% have 4 or more). Now added to that is the arranged marriage rate, so for every arranged marriage the effective children are +1. We can argue the toss over data, and hopefully not call anyone an idiot - dangerous that, all day. '

This average of >3 is not for Asian families. It's for Bangladeshis. In the 2001 census, there were 283,063 Bangladeshis. How do you get to 3.5 or 3 as an average for the 2,800,000 figure for Asains that you based your last set of calculations on.

There is also an assumption that every single arranged marriage involves one of the partners immigrating. I.e. no arranged marriages occur between people already on the census. Can you back that up?

And back to my last post, we can toss over data - can we also toss over arithmetic all day?

As for the BBC, perhaps we should put you in charge of their stats. You seem to have quite an aptitude for it.

Does 7.7 not worry you? I was pointing out a mathematical property that of 40% were 4+ then the average is likely to be >3 and you attack over me correcting a poster. You only come here for an argument I gave my estimates, they are mine, they are therefore right. Now yours are right also, because they are yours. Oh sorry you didn't have any did you? Put in what the hell you like and 3, 4, 5, 6 whatever generations we will be a minority. This is my point pedant.

British people first, no other people should come into our considerations.

[sasguru]

Put in what the hell you like and 3, 4, 5, 6 whatever generations we will be a minority. This is my point pedant.

.

But you haven't made the point. The evidence suggests that birth rates among immigrants fall close to the norm relatively quickly - which implies that the the indigenous population will never be a minority.

[Causus Deli]

Anyway as much fun as it has been I have some more important statistics to peruse. Like with Enoch, history will prove me right, don't be sheep. I bid you all a good day and trust your afternoons will go just swimmingly.

[DodgyAgent]

The unemployment rate amongst Indians is comparable with whites but that of Muslims (generalisation) is 3 times that of whites. They don't try in general.

Though this may be true statistically the undertone of racism hits you squarely in the face. What do you mean by "they dont try in general?" These people are not born innately lazy. If they are not working then there is a reason for it which has nothing to do with their where they come from. It may be that they are being educated in poor schools, or they may be being brought up according to their cultural backgrounds (multi culturalism). In which case if they are women then it is likely that they are discouraged from working by their families. These factors have nothing to do with "they dont try in general".

The problem is a lack of strong leadership in Britain that says to immigrants, that if they come here then they adopt our way of life, which includes giving equal rights to women, learning English etc.

[Bagpuss]

Anyone who can't moan should be turned away