Oh Dear: Is there any other country in Europe where this would cause outrage ?

[sasguru]

You are not reading are you. The breeding rate is determind by the country of importation in 40%, the breeding rate in our country for them I have set artificially low at 2 per couple so as not to confuse issues, open myself up to lying accusations. Listen, 40% are imported spouses and they determine the breeding rate as detailed in section 6 of my reference. Now if we continue to import spouses etc then the breeding rate will be determined by that country's breeding rate and not ours. They don't speaky de English and cannot understand 'keep your legs crossed love'!

Ah I see. And why do you think the importation of spouses will continue unabated? If 40% currently do, what proprotion of that 40 percent's kids who are born here will do so? I would be willing to guess that it will eventually tail off to zero. If we are talking about Indian spouses, the birth trend in India is heavily downwards and so that will occur even if the current importation of spouses continues. Can you not see you simplistic model is missing so many confounding variables as to make it useless?

[sasguru]

You sir are a damn fool and a childish moron.

If you say so

[Rantor]

Well I can keep you lot interested for a while, the posting of that graph was hilarious and extrapolating from household numbers ffs. Not one counter statistic has been forwarded and the usual torrent of abuse has flowed to cover the lack of counter argument. Simple people pick on one aspect, I did earlier mention Eastern EU problems but you guys chose the easiest to have a go at. Then someone makes an inane comment that I have changed tack because I am now not discussing Poles et al.

I am quite disgusted with the anti 'chav' thoughts people express, I would even say I have seen this often with foreign students and would not be surprised if the clear lack of patriotism herein is a reflection of an alien nature.

You probably guessed that I am Nick Griffin's racist brother.

Oi ya cheeky wee monkey - it was not an inane question

I asked the question as your earlier posts were vague on the subject and I am genuinely interested to see how this would be dealt with in your world.

Secondly, eastern european EU citizens - in or out? It is a serious question as out implies reneging on treaty obligations, possible withdrawal from the EU (and why do I think that would be the least of your concerns!) and large scale forced repatriations.

The Asian issue I see as spurious (3rd time I make this point) as generation 2/3 would be UK citizens and, short of stripping them of this, there is knob-all you can do if they don't play ball (whether they should do is a different matter.)

[DodgyAgent]

II will not reply to you anymore you have nothing to add.

So there

[The Lone Gunman]

No except it shows you have already fallen into a general mentality of "them and us" which is one of the first levels of racism.

People should be individually "judged" on how they act and what they do, gender, religion, nationality, race should be totally immaterial in classifying people

There has been much ado in this thread about foreigners claiming the benefits from the British system but really what is the difference between a foreigner who comes to this country to claim from the state and a British citizen who has been claiming since the day he turned 18 and never paid an ounce of tax or contributed anything to the country (except possibly more leeches..woops mean "kids")? To me there is none except a roll of the dice which decided where they would be born, both of are leeches, plain and simple. It really makes zero difference where they come, from what religion they might be or gender, and if it does to you then I makes you to some degree racist / xenophobic /sexists or whatever other applicable classification.

The problem is with the British system, not the foreigners. They are doing what is natural human nature, seeking the best level of living for the least effort.

The British welfare system needs to change from a potential never ending a way of life to being a helping hand to get people over the curve balls life might toss at them and boost for the poor doing poorly paid but necessary jobs.

Change that and the foreigners looking for a easy ride will go away and the country will be left with those who are here to actually work for a living

That to me is 1000% more logical that saying "our leeches should come before those foreign leeches"

Apart from the racist bit you have just quoted the BNP policy on leeches.
So when you have a decision to make on who gets the last council house and both candidates in front of you have the same credentials apart from one being foreign and the other being local who would you give it to?

Our social security system is (was) designed to be a safety net for our needy. With recent changes in global migration we are now offering (at least parts of) it to the entire world if they can get to our shores, we are dealing with epidemics which are not of our own creation, we are offering shelter to any number of migrants all of whom have never and probably will never make a contribution to the system.
The system is failing our own, and it is not just leeches thet need it.

As for your point of ours and theirs. That is just the point, they are ours and they are our problem. It would be realy nice if we could ship our economicaly unviable off to some other country with a nice social security system, but we cant and nor should we, but by the same token I do not see why we should be expected to support someone elses.

[Causus Deli]

Oi ya cheeky wee monkey - it was not an inane question

I asked the question as your earlier posts were vague on the subject and I am genuinely interested to see how this would be dealt with in your world.

Secondly, eastern european EU citizens - in or out? It is a serious question as out implies reneging on treaty obligations, possible withdrawal from the EU (and why do I think that would be the least of your concerns!) and large scale forced repatriations.

The Asian issue I see as spurious (3rd time I make this point) as generation 2/3 would be UK citizens and, short of stripping them of this, there is knob-all you can do if they don't play ball (whether they should do is a different matter.)

How is it spurious we still bring in nearly half of their spouses from a foreign land and the children grow up not speaking English. If they want to practice arranged marriages then off to xxxxistan with them.

Out of the EU I have stated many times. Look after our own feckless, replacement is not an option.

[Old Greg]

Shall we go over them one by one and see what is spurious? You can like the fatuous CO2 girls bleat long and hard but it doesn’t make your assertion of superiority have any weight whatsoever. Let’s ignore the other two issues, as people did and go on the Asian one.

Now do you dispute 2.8 was roughly the estimate in the 2001 census and things have increased since – there is no source for how much this has increased so let’s agree 3.4 should we, as you didn’t suggest one this one half way between my estimate and 2.8 seems reasonable don’t you agree? That leaves about 55 million Caucasians right?

Now migrationwatch quote figures for arranged marriages from the ISC. Here

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/Brie...l_marriage.asp

Point 5 and 6 of the introduction will show that somewhere between 40 and 50% of 15-17 year olds are admitted as spouse/fiancé(e). I don’t know what this might be in older groups. But Ann Cryer of Keighley has much to say on the extent of the problems around this little trend.

That means that before they even have children each person from these groups will expand into 1.4 people simply by marrying. Point 6 of the attached gives the birth rate in these groups 4.7 Pakistani and 3.9 Bangladeshi. Less Indian as I guessed earlier.

Let's be clear 40% marry overseas and these have 4.7 or 3.9 on average. 60% marry within the country. I have read these as more elsewhere but am happy to go along with this assumption.

So in 40% 1 is replaced by 4.7 or 3.9, net gain for these is 3.7 or 2.9. The 60% lets assume only reproduce their own numbers so net gain zero.

I’ll go for 4 kids per 1 in the 40% OK and I’ll use 1 kid per 1 for the 60%. That means on average each 1 will be replaced by 2.2 on average (weighted mean). Which of course is much greater than 3.7 per couple. Infact my magic calculator makes it 4.4. But I was always, as a fair and reasonable man, willing to accept 3 kids per couple or 1.5 per adult. Of course I didn’t factor in the Indians which will bring it down a little from 4.4 anyway.

I trust you will now agree that 3 is not a bad estimate (and can understand my best originally of 3.7), very likely a gross underestimate. I’m also willing to take a hit on using 3.4 million (now) and 55 million white.

With all these underestimates the population will be majority Asian in a little less than 5 generations and if I apply my 3.7 it is as stated earlier approximately 3.5 generations.

The only other factor is if things change, well perhaps I’m saying they bloody well should unless we want to live in an Islamic state. If by not wishing to I am deemed a racist then so be it.

Got home to see more statistical lies. Got to cook my tea now. I'll provide a full demolition of this nonsense when I've eaten if someone hasn't got there 1st.

[milanbenes]

Old Greg,

I have to say you are going to fit right in here.

Good to see you getting stuck in and nice to see a bit of intellect joining the ranks.

Keep it up,

Milan.

[DodgyAgent]

Old Greg,

I have to say you are going to fit right in here.

Good to see you getting stuck in and nice to see a bit of intellect joining the ranks.

Keep it up,

Milan.

Milan you started this, well done, we have enjoyed the sport even if it has been at the expense of an old git little Englander

[Stan]

With all these underestimates the population will be majority Asian in a little less than 5 generations and if I apply my 3.7 it is as stated earlier approximately 3.5 generations.

The only other factor is if things change, well perhaps I’m saying they bloody well should unless we want to live in an Islamic state.

What do you propose to do to save us? Seriously you are banging on about us losing our racial purity but haven't said what you propose to do with these British Asians (or is it Muslims, its hard to tell with you).

What about hindus? They are only 1% of the population compared to the massive 2.7% that muslims are BUT if they reproduce unchecked just imagine what our tabloids would be filled with!