The Nazis. Nasty fellas or a little misunderstood?

[hattra]

Sure London was bombed, but let's be honest here - Allies were bombing many more civilian targets in Germany.

Ever heard of the Blitz?

[gingerjedi]

I was given a tour of Berlin a few months ago - of the very few old buildings left, all of them still show the bullet holes. I found it quite sobering to see buildings riddled in this way - and these were the ones which survived. The depth of some of these bullet marks was pretty remarkable also. It shows how pi55 poor the Hollywood representation of the second world war really was.

The offices I was visiting were next to the Brandenburg (sp?) gate. After things settled down, next to the gate was one building which remained. It managed to survive the war, the bombing by the allies, the pounding by the Russians. What it didn't survive was a game played by a few drunk Russian soldiers who were playing a game involving hand grenades

I was there a few months ago, IIRC the US Embassy is right by the Brandenburg gate and there is a big fuss going on because the yanks want to re-route the traffic around the area to accommodate the extra security measures and fortifications that they insist on, jerry doesn't like it.

[Churchill]

I was there a few months ago, IIRC the US Embassy is right by the Brandenburg gate and there is a big fuss going on because the yanks want to re-route the traffic around the area to accommodate the extra security measures and fortifications that they insist on, jerry doesn't like it.

They don't like it up 'em!

Don't tell 'em your name Pike!

[sasguru]

Ever heard of the Blitz?

Or the speech in Nuremberg when Goebbels, I think it was, said Germany would wage "Total War" to which the response was resounding cheers from the multitude. So they got what they wanted. 3 cheers for Bomber Harris!

[BoredBloke]

"I was there a few months ago, IIRC the US Embassy is right by the Brandenburg gate and there is a big fuss going on because the yanks want to re-route the traffic around the area to accommodate the extra security measures and fortifications that they insist on, jerry doesn't like it."

The building I was in was next door to the new US embassy and my hotel was just round the corner from the old one.

[Novice Contractor]

Ever heard of the Blitz?

Ever heard of Dresden? In Hiroshima (if all of the missing are presumed dead) a total of about 92000 died. In Dresden up to 100,000 died. BTW, I am not a pacifist I served 13 years in the RAF, even so Dreden was bad

[sasguru]

Ever heard of Dresden? In Hiroshima (if all of the missing are presumed dead) a total of about 92000 died. In Dresden up to 100,000 died. BTW, I am not a pacifist I served 13 years in the RAF, even so Dreden was bad

You reap what you sow.
Ultimately it may yet save more lives as wise heads in other countries realise that the Anglo-Saxons can be as brutal as they need to be when national survival is at stake.

HTH.

[Novice Contractor]

You reap what you sow.
Ultimately it may yet save more lives as wise heads in other countries realise that the Anglo-Saxons can be as brutal as they need to be when national survival is at stake.

HTH.

If only that was true, unfortunately Blair and Bush will almost certainly not

[Swiss Tony]

Sure London was bombed, but let's be honest here - Allies were bombing many more civilian targets in Germany.

AtW is Joseph Goebbels. I claim my £5!

[hattra]

Ever heard of Dresden? In Hiroshima (if all of the missing are presumed dead) a total of about 92000 died. In Dresden up to 100,000 died. BTW, I am not a pacifist I served 13 years in the RAF, even so Dreden was bad

Sorry to come back on this so late (bloody work)

And by the end of the Battle of Britain & the Blitz, about 60,000 British civilians had been killed, and 80,000 injured (my mother among them, when her school was bombed), Dresden was "pay back". Not pretty, but if you start a war targeting civilians, you should expect to get people annoyed (a lesson that seems to have been forgotten today).

And my grandmother remembered being both bombed by Zeppelins, AND being shelled by the German navy in WW 1

Hiroshima & Nagasaki probably saved more lives, by forcing the Japanese capitulation, than they destroyed