Electoral Reform

[mattster]

Johnson isn't a dictator and his government isn't far right. And if Corbyn is hard left, he never got anywhere near leading his party to form a government. FPTP kept the corbynites out of power; under PR that wouldn't be the case.

The first thing that would happen under PR is that Labour and the Tories would split into at least two other parties each, centrist and more extreme. If we had PR it seems much more likely to me that we would end up with a centrist coalition of New Lab/Lib Dem/One Nation Tory which would be absolutely fine by me, and much closer to the will of the country than the current mob. The big issue at the moment IMO (for both Tory and Lab) is the way leaders are elected within the parties. Leaders and prospective leaders end up pandering to the membership of that party, which is a fairly small minority of the voters on either side and inevitably much more extreme in it's views.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Or maybe they will never agree and the government will do bugger all.

You say that like it would be bad thing.

[xoggoth]

A bit of collaboration should be a good thing - finding a consensus between two ideologies ought to temper the worst/extreme aspects of both and deliver something more centrist.

Or maybe they will never agree and the government will do bugger all.

[d000hg]

Some people don't like change.

Slightly reductive. Many have strong reasons for preferring the system, it's not "wants improvement" Vs "doesn't want change".

[SueEllen]

Why are people so set against a coalition? It can be made to work if the parties involved don't get all huffy like the DUP in NI.

A bit of collaboration should be a good thing - finding a consensus between two ideologies ought to temper the worst/extreme aspects of both and deliver something more centrist.

Some people don't like change.

I like it as long as you can ensure that there is a minimum number of votes are needed to get a MP in.

It means if someone wants to vote for the Brexit Party or the Socialist Workers party then a decent amount of people in the area need to also think the same way.

Plus it is likely to improve voter turnout for the first few elections. (Though I live in a constituency with a good turn out anyway.)

[SueEllen]

Half of which including boundary reform and PR were ditched by the Lib Dumbs in very short order...

I ended up with boundary reform.

Now got more local councilors to pay for.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

That's entirely the point. FPTP tries to ensure a government has a working majority to get things done.

Even though it doesn't reflect the votes of the majority - which are totally ignored. It's a bad system which is why so few places use it - we are not exceptional in having devised a brilliant system - we are stupid for not reforming such an outdated one.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Half of which including boundary reform and PR were ditched by the Lib Dumbs in very short order...

The Tories had to water down some stuff and the Lib dems had to ditch some - notably the promise not to increase tuition fees, but the Lib Dems didn't abandon PR - where did you get that idea?

[ladymuck]

Why are people so set against a coalition? It can be made to work if the parties involved don't get all huffy like the DUP in NI.

A bit of collaboration should be a good thing - finding a consensus between two ideologies ought to temper the worst/extreme aspects of both and deliver something more centrist.

[d000hg]

..and Johnson getting 163 more seats than Labour on 11% more vote - absolutely ridiculous

That's entirely the point. FPTP tries to ensure a government has a working majority to get things done.