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  • NigelJK
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post

    ... since 1069 when the Africans were only selling their brothers to the Arabs.

    Its odd how the only people who are required to have any shame about the slave trade are Europeans. >90% of slaves in the new world were sold by their fellow Africans. The Arabs were buying slaves from African kings in the 700s they continued buying them into the 1800s in similar volumes to the Europeans ..
    I'm making my way through The Silk Roads and it's very enlightening, and also properly cross referenced for those with an academic bent.
    Some facts:
    C100 AD Rome needed around 250,000 slaves per annum to function. Most of these were Caucasian.
    C600 AD A migration of Scandinavians into Slav and Rus (now Russia) allowed then to hook into the Silk road and tap into the exploding market for Slaves, from the word Slav. Most of these were Caucasian, indeed the guidebooks of the time made a point of saying that those from Africa were not normally of the required quality. Venice was built almost entirely from the profits of this trade. This ran for some 200 years on an industrial scale.

    I'm up to the Crusades, a pivotal part of which is keeping the Silk Road open to finance the fabulously rich cities on the route.

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  • Whorty
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post

    You mean Miss Austen consumed a perfectly legal substance - sugar something that had been imported since 1069 when the Africans were only selling their brothers to the Arabs. It was refined in Venice and Columbus not Drake took sugar cane to grow in the Caribbean. The Europeans hadn't even got to Africa - we arrived in the late 1400s.

    https://makingsenseofsugar.com/all-a...tory-of-sugar/

    Its odd how the only people who are required to have any shame about the slave trade are Europeans. >90% of slaves in the new world were sold by their fellow Africans. The Arabs were buying slaves from African kings in the 700s they continued buying them into the 1800s in similar volumes to the Europeans - to the point the price of slaves doubled because of a shortage of people for the African kings to sell. The British finally stopped this age old trade and we are supposed to be the only one to apologise?

    Before everyone exploited Africa for slaves they worked their way around the world. Ask Moses, Spartacus etc.

    I'm all for slavery being bad but not for only the western nations to pay for it. We all should take responsibility.
    Phew, glad we can agree on something ... although I might go for a word slightly more significant than 'bad'

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
    I get it now - It's like an electrician's training course instructor suddenly deciding to include renaissance painting on the syllabus
    Pretty much, yes. Nothing to get upset about really.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by Whorty View Post

    I've highlighted the clue for you. See if you can spot it
    You mean Miss Austen consumed a perfectly legal substance - sugar something that had been imported since 1069 when the Africans were only selling their brothers to the Arabs. It was refined in Venice and Columbus not Drake took sugar cane to grow in the Caribbean. The Europeans hadn't even got to Africa - we arrived in the late 1400s.

    https://makingsenseofsugar.com/all-a...tory-of-sugar/

    Its odd how the only people who are required to have any shame about the slave trade are Europeans. >90% of slaves in the new world were sold by their fellow Africans. The Arabs were buying slaves from African kings in the 700s they continued buying them into the 1800s in similar volumes to the Europeans - to the point the price of slaves doubled because of a shortage of people for the African kings to sell. The British finally stopped this age old trade and we are supposed to be the only one to apologise?

    Before everyone exploited Africa for slaves they worked their way around the world. Ask Moses, Spartacus etc.

    I'm all for slavery being bad but not for only the western nations to pay for it. We all should take responsibility.

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  • OwlHoot
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    Originally posted by Whorty View Post

    I've highlighted the clue for you. See if you can spot it ..
    Ah OK, the keyword is "education" So you were right, it's not at all like a cake shop starting to branch out into solar panels.

    I get it now - It's like an electrician's training course instructor suddenly deciding to include renaissance painting on the syllabus

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  • Whorty
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post

    And what the heck does slavery have to do with a Jane Austin museum?

    It's like a cake shop suddenly deciding to start selling solar panels, because, well just because they're trendy and the owner wants to look virtuous and woke!
    I've highlighted the clue for you. See if you can spot it

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  • OwlHoot
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post

    What's really happened is that the Jane Austen museum has decided to educate concerning slavery during the 17/18th century ..
    And what the heck does slavery have to do with a Jane Austin museum?

    It's like a cake shop suddenly deciding to start selling solar panels, because, well just because they're trendy and the owner wants to look virtuous and woke!

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post

    Here we go again. Someone called Lizzy Dunford says there must be a post-mortem into Jane Austin, for her appalling habit of taking sugar in her tea and wearing cotton clothes.

    It seems this Dizzy Lizzy wants to single out Austin for supporting slavery!

    2021-04-19 Jane Austen museum launches BLM-inspired 'interrogation' of author's love for drinking tea and wearing cotton due to slave trade links
    "A museum devoted to Jane Austen has sparked fury " In a Daily Telegraphs journalist's hypothetical target audience, and then reported by the Daily Mail.

    What's really happened is that the Jane Austen museum has decided to educate concerning slavery during the 17/18th century and this is being use to sell more DT and DM papers.

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  • OwlHoot
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post

    Must sound sexist, but I've noticed that the sanctimonious attention seekers who raise these ridiculous vexatious criticisms are nearly always women

    2021-04-14 White XR eco-warrior claims giving pupils too much dairy is 'RACIST' in row over plant-based food on school menus because 'many in BAME community suffer with lactose intolerance'
    Here we go again. Someone called Lizzy Dunford says there must be a post-mortem into Jane Austin, for her appalling habit of taking sugar in her tea and wearing cotton clothes.

    It seems this Dizzy Lizzy wants to single out Austin for supporting slavery!

    2021-04-19 Jane Austen museum launches BLM-inspired 'interrogation' of author's love for drinking tea and wearing cotton due to slave trade links

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by Whorty View Post

    You open yourself up to insults because of the dribble you post. You make yourself an easy target to ridicule.

    HTH
    still not feeling it!

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