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Trump Nato: EU's Tusk warns president to appreciate allies
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Originally posted by Zigenare View PostNeither you, nor I, nor I would suggest anyone born in the next 250 years will see that!Comment
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An issue for the EU/NATO/Europe is that Trump is not afraid to combine grievances.
Whereas most politicians would not seek to combine trade-related matters ( 151B deficit, unfair barriers to trade ) and security issues ( partners not paying their fair share ) Trump has no such compunction.
For him its all part of the narrative he's constructed for his voter base which is "Everyone is taking advantage of the USA".
Unfortunately, the majority of NATO countries have not met the commitment they signed up to, which is to pay 2% of GDP into defence and this makes them a very easy target for his ire. It's an easy message to sell back home in the rust-belt ( "Your taxes pay for the defence of Germans, who don't pay enough for their own protection and trade unfairly, costing you your jobs" )
As a European, you may disagree with this analysis but that is totally is irrelevant to Trump. You ain't never voting for him. You are not the target of his message.
... so a tricky situation for NATO/EU. Germany could just commit to buying the output of the North American shale fields for the next 20 years, that would probably shut him up.Comment
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostBut what he is saying is true. A great many countries benefit from Nato and should contribute more to their own defence.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by tomtomagain View PostAn issue for the EU/NATO/Europe is that Trump is not afraid to combine grievances.
Whereas most politicians would not seek to combine trade-related matters ( 151B deficit, unfair barriers to trade ) and security issues ( partners not paying their fair share ) Trump has no such compunction.
For him its all part of the narrative he's constructed for his voter base which is "Everyone is taking advantage of the USA".
Unfortunately, the majority of NATO countries have not met the commitment they signed up to, which is to pay 2% of GDP into defence and this makes them a very easy target for his ire. It's an easy message to sell back home in the rust-belt ( "Your taxes pay for the defence of Germans, who don't pay enough for their own protection and trade unfairly, costing you your jobs" )
As a European, you may disagree with this analysis but that is totally is irrelevant to Trump. You ain't never voting for him. You are not the target of his message.
... so a tricky situation for NATO/EU. Germany could just commit to buying the output of the North American shale fields for the next 20 years, that would probably shut him up.
Truth is Germany has done well out of Nato and should contribute more, as you said and purchase something.
China does need to open it's markets and Germany does need to balance it's economy so it buys something.
I think Trump is a dick but he is shaking things up.Comment
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Originally posted by Jog On View PostIt's all about money - he see's the US as his latest business and is running it the way he runs his property business - being tough, uncompromising and getting the best deal for himself..
Had he kept his small loan of $1m from his father in the bank he'd be a richer man today."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by scooterscot View PostDo as Trump says is no longer allowed? Exactly why should we subject to his bereft policies but someone are not allowed to copy them?
I've no dislike of the US, but the presidential system no longer works for the USA. It is time the United states broke up and acted like individual countries. In fact that's already happening. What you accuse me of is already happening with democrat states, who generate 80% of US GDP. A number of them are creating their own currency. The greatest enemy to the US is from the US itself.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by Mordac View PostMaybe one day this could happen in Europe...
Are you confusing Europe and EU to be the same thing? You'd make a good leave voter."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostA good dose of nuclear war could easily achieve that,Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.Comment
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Originally posted by tomtomagain View PostAn issue for the EU/NATO/Europe is that Trump is not afraid to combine grievances.
Whereas most politicians would not seek to combine trade-related matters ( 151B deficit, unfair barriers to trade ) and security issues ( partners not paying their fair share ) Trump has no such compunction. ...
That's because Trump's grand plan is to offer the UK a trade deal and the UK becomes sole reseller of USA weapons to the EU.
I presume NATO members are not allowed to buy weapons from Russia so the market is cornered. Well played.Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.Comment
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