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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirikur View Post
    Were the Yugoslav countries in the EC/EU during the conflict?
    Wtf has that got to do with anything? It was a European conflict (some would say war) and the EU held some meetings, and that was about it. Either the EU is a globally important and influential organisation which can intervene positively in conflicts on its doorstep, or it isn't and it can't. You seem to be demonstrating the latter is true, and I wouldn't disagree with you.
    Alternatively, are you suggesting that we have the EU to thank for the fact that we aren't at war with, say, France? Since it is impossible to prove a negative in this instance, I'm calling that out as "bollocks", to use the technical terminology.
    If we were to hypothetically declare war on the French, you can be damned sure the UN and NATO would have it all sorted out before the Commissars in Brussels had finished their lunch.
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    I find some of the insults thrown here on both sides degrading and pointless and one of the reasons for not getting involved. Mostly its a playground (I know it's general) full of immature responses to immature point scoring loaded questions on both sides. There has been no serious debate where arguments are countered and thought through, although I would have to say the remainers have put forward more evidence to support their arguments.

    On the point of NATO, I agree with the brexiters that this has prevented more conflict in Europe rather than the EU, but it is a combination of the two that has probably made it more of a success (oh and being able to nuke people back to the stone age!). But the comment that an attack on one is an attack on all has been tested and found wanting at least once. Britain, a NATO member was attacked by Argentina in the Falklands and no overt support from other NATO members was provided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    I think
    You KEEP saying that, yet there is scant evidence to support the notion.

    But keep it coming, it is comedy gold.

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    I voted remain but I'm not so sure having considered what the EU has done to Greece and Spain.

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    There has been no serious debate where arguments are countered and thought through
    You've got that right, you are wasting your time posting here. If anyone on either side advances any serious argument it is often not countered with any facts, it is just ignored and the one line abuse just flows past it.

    At least the brexiter posts are not usually abusive, most of the cretin, thick as mince, etc. comes from the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoggoth View Post

    At least the remainer posts are not usually abusive, most of the cretin, thick as mince, etc. comes from the other side.
    Yes completely agree. That's what I keep saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Yes completely agree.
    Thought you might, but you're still a cretin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xoggoth View Post
    At least the remainer posts are not usually abusive, most of the cretin, thick as mince, etc. comes from the other side.
    Have to disagree there Xog.

    It's well known that both those insults are used almost exclusively, and often, by of one the biggest arch Remainers on CUK!

    (unless you meant the Brexiter posts are not usually abusive, which I think is much nearer the truth).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coalman View Post
    I find some of the insults thrown here on both sides degrading and pointless and one of the reasons for not getting involved. Mostly its a playground (I know it's general) full of immature responses to immature point scoring loaded questions on both sides. There has been no serious debate where arguments are countered and thought through, although I would have to say the remainers have put forward more evidence to support their arguments.

    On the point of NATO, I agree with the brexiters that this has prevented more conflict in Europe rather than the EU, but it is a combination of the two that has probably made it more of a success (oh and being able to nuke people back to the stone age!). But the comment that an attack on one is an attack on all has been tested and found wanting at least once. Britain, a NATO member was attacked by Argentina in the Falklands and no overt support from other NATO members was provided.
    Maybe because we did not need it.....

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    unless you meant the Brexiter posts are not usually abusive, which I think is much nearer the truth
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