Why the EU love in?

[excon]

Now we know what original PM, excon and all the others are doing for their holiday, a bit of voluntary work: Far-Right group sends ship to Mediterranean to confront 'criminal' rescue vessels and block migrants

Here is what this "far right" group is confronting.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/...ple-smugglers/

[meridian]

Here is what this "far right" group is confronting.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/...ple-smugglers/

You managed a grand total of 2 posts before the rest of your time here has been spent on your real agenda - refugee-bashing.

Well done, but you could have just started with your Daily Mail rants from the start instead of pretending you were after a proper debate on all the complex issues of the day.

[sasguru]

To give a brutally frank answer to the title question of this post: Most Remainers don't "love" the EU, although we can see some benefits from it.
Most of us are pragmatists not ideologues, who seem to have a clearer idea of the strengths and weaknesses of the UK economy, and quite simply we think Brexit has the potential to cause substantial and permanent damage to the UK economy (the start of which can already be seen by the growth, inflation and deficit figures).
An OP Leaver on here describes the UK economy as a "Powerhouse" economy. While it has its strengths, that's laughable.
Sovereignty (which we never lost in any case) comes in many forms.
Poverty is a form of lack of sovereignty.
Poor countries can't afford strong armies to defend themselves.
Poor people have the least freedom of all in any aspect of their lives.
But perhaps this lesson can only be learned from a hard Brexit, and that is what I hope happens now.

[tiggat]

"Impoverished Southern Europe"? Really? Do you know what Southern Europe was like before the EU? Poor as a church mouse doesn't even come close.

The ECB had a responsibility to raise interest rates and stop the Southern European countries from overheating, and prevent the obvious credit bubble from forming, which they didn't because it didn't suit the Germany economy. The ECB then enforced dodgy and universally lambasted by economists, austerity measures to deal with the crisis they engineered, which haven't yielded results after 8 years and instead have made the situation worse.
The southern European countries by virtue of being members of the monetary zone don't have the economic tools to correct the crisis.

[BrilloPad]

Its a pointless question. A50 has been invoked and the UK is leaving. Some are going to whine and moan that they live in a democracy.

[BrilloPad]

The ECB had a responsibility to raise interest rates and stop the Southern European countries from overheating, and prevent the obvious credit bubble from forming, which they didn't because it didn't suit the Germany economy. The ECB then enforced dodgy and universally lambasted by economists, austerity measures to deal with the crisis they engineered, which haven't yielded results after 8 years. The southern European countries by virtue of being members of the monetary zone don't have the economic tools to correct the crisis.

And Germany still benefits by having a weaker currency than it should.

To me the question is why the Southern European countries don't leave the Euro - especially Greece. Or better still the Northern block leave as that might work.

Oh silly me. 1% are Greeks are fine while 99% are in misery. So Greece stays in. Even after they voted to reject the 2015 bailout the government accepted it anyway.

The 2012 and 2015 events will be played out again in 2018.

[BlasterBates]

Anyone noticed, Trump in the Eiffel Tower talking about how to shape the world whilst ignoring the UK.

[BrilloPad]

Anyone noticed, Trump in the Eiffel Tower talking about how to shape the world whilst ignoring the UK.

He wants his photo taken in front of big ben with some guardsmen. A trip to the top of the shard. Cucumber sandwiches with the queen. And Kate to suck his d1ck.

And he will get all that in return for a trade deal.

[vetran]

He wants his photo taken in front of big ben with some guardsmen. A trip to the top of the shard. Cucumber sandwiches with the queen. And Kate to suck his d1ck.

And he will get all that in return for a trade deal.

Katie Hopkins??? ewww

[Mordac]

If you're waiting for a sensible answer to that question, I fear you may be waiting a very long time...

Mordy in "Sh it kicking retard" Mode.

Nearly 24 hours and still not a single sensible answer yet. Pull your finger out chaps (and Ladies).