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    Quote Originally Posted by woohoo View Post
    Does a degree make you better informed?
    See above. A rigorous degree makes it more likely that you can evaluate complicated concepts.
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    I remember still the conversation my guidance teacher had with me midway through high-school. 'Consider your time here as if taking the car to the petrol station. The more you fill it up the further you'll go' Never have I forgotten those words.

    Now I drive a fancy German car. Dam think drinks like a fish.
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    Also as we know a lot the intellectual cream (e.g. those in with academic careers) are very left and did vote to remain.
    Is CUK an intellectual cesspit?

    Do the lumpy bits float to the top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrilloPad View Post
    So thick people should not be allowed to vote?
    Straight bananas Perhaps stopping people reading right wing media might help somewhat though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by original PM View Post
    no sorry to pop anyones bubble but a 25 year old who has only ever lived with his mum and in student accommodation may have a degree so may be better 'educated' but the 40 year old bloke has well 15 years more adult experience which is worth more than any degree.

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    Bollux.
    A 40 year old bloke who has never travelled, worked in a dull brain-dead job in his local town all his life and never read a book is not likely to have more worthwhile experience than many 25 year olds who have done more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by original PM View Post

    Also as we know a lot the intellectual cream (e.g. those in with academic careers) are very left and did vote to remain.
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    Yes, those with higher education have been shown to lean to the left rather than left leaning seeking higher education, as you suggest.
    We've always defined ourselves by the ability to overcome the impossible. And we count these moments. These moments when we dare to aim higher, to break barriers, to reach for the stars, to make the unknown known. We count these moments as our proudest achievements. But we lost all that. Or perhaps we've just forgotten that we are still pioneers. And we've barely begun. And that our greatest accomplishments cannot be behind us, because our destiny lies above us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Bollux.
    A 40 year old bloke who has never travelled, worked in a dull brain-dead job in his local town all his life and never read a book is not likely to have more worthwhile experience than many 25 year olds who have done more.
    But this 40-year-old is far more likely to have been at the thick end of problems caused by uncontrolled immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer View Post
    But this 40-year-old is far more likely to have been at the thick end of problems caused by uncontrolled immigration.
    When you listen to people complaining about EU immigration, most of the problems they complain about have nothing to do with EU immigration.

    The leave vote was equivalent to changing the wheels on a car when the engine was broken. In fact the strongest leave vote was in areas with very little migration.

    An example is Manchester that votes remain, lot of immigrants, and Wigan strongly leave, virtually no immigrants. That pattern is repeated all over the country. The strain on the NHS in Wigan is caused by a huge increase in the number of old people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    When you listen to people complaining about EU immigration, most of the problems they complain about have nothing to do with EU immigration.

    The leave vote was equivalent to changing the wheels on a car when the engine was broken.
    It's a combination of things. What I was highlighting is those in poorer areas are more likely to be directly affected by immigration and factors associated with the large increase in population of which EU's open borders contributed. And given you voted remain, how do you know what made people vote leave? Moreover, it's little changes that can have a big effect. Romanian begging gangs - of which there were none ten years ago - are now an obvious problem where I am.

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    Levers voted the way the did to give the establishment a kick in the teeth. You don't even need an education to understand that.
    Last edited by scooterscot; 6th February 2017 at 11:40.
    We've always defined ourselves by the ability to overcome the impossible. And we count these moments. These moments when we dare to aim higher, to break barriers, to reach for the stars, to make the unknown known. We count these moments as our proudest achievements. But we lost all that. Or perhaps we've just forgotten that we are still pioneers. And we've barely begun. And that our greatest accomplishments cannot be behind us, because our destiny lies above us.

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