Send them to live next door to remainers

[sasguru]

Not seen many inconvenient truths lots of unsubstantiated lies from remainers.

The fall in the pound is real and already affecting people's expenditure as things become dearer.
That will accelerate next year.
There is evidence that businesses have suspended investment, again the effects will kick in next year.
I would imagine that Article 50 kick off would lead to a further fall in the pound.

In the long term yes assuming we negotiate Brexit properly.

So you're backing a soft Brexit? Negotiating assumes non-hard Brexit. Hard Brexit is when we say, stuff this, do your worst and lets see what happens :-)

But lets turn the question around how would have remaining in an organisation modeled on one of the most oppressive in modern history benefited the common man? Do please try to come up with something truthful.

One of the reason's the leave vote won was because we tried to negotiate with the EU and they just slammed the door in our face. How do you think they would behave when they have even more power?

One of the concessions Dave got was that Britain would NEVER join any further political union of the EU. This was going to be in the treaty in perpetuity. Seems like a good deal, keep the economic benefits and forget the political bollox. Many (most) remainers don't want to join the Euro or any further political stuff.

Maybe the rest of the EU will start thinking (?)rexit and the EU might lose some of its arrogance then negotiate?

On the contrary Brexit has made them double down. And only in the tabloids is there the slightest hint of other countries exiting. There could well be referendums in other places but given the closeness in the UK (the most Euroskeptic country only won 52:48) it's fair to say other referendums, were they to be held, will be for the EU.
The economic shenningans that the UK jas already endured and will endure is causing the Eurosceptics to lose ground.

[SueEllen]

Not seen many inconvenient truths lots of unsubstantiated lies from remainers.

In the long term yes assuming we negotiate Brexit properly.

But lets turn the question around how would have remaining in an organisation modeled on one of the most oppressive in modern history benefited the common man? Do please try to come up with something truthful.

One of the reason's the leave vote won was because we tried to negotiate with the EU and they just slammed the door in our face. How do you think they would behave when they have even more power?

Maybe the rest of the EU will start thinking (?)rexit and the EU might lose some of its arrogance then negotiate?

Negotiating Brexit "properly" will take decades as we aren't Greenland. Even some of your beloved Brexiteer ministers admit this.

[SueEllen]

You might want to look up 'Little Englander' it doesn't mean what you think it does.

It suits the carp you are shouting to a tee like below.

Zero hour contracts have been around for decades the EU has done nothing to stop them, big multinationals like them. The EU won't fight it because it pushes up employment, the elephant in the room is that sooner or later all these jobs will be mechanised and we will have a low skilled workforce with nothing to do.

Now an over supply of cheap and effectively subsidised labour has encouraged this abuse in the UK imagine what it will be like when the robots, drones etc take off.

The UK government cares about its electorate far more than the EU does about its victims

https://euobserver.com/justice/122955

Corrupt European countries costing EU nearly £800bn a year, says study | The Independent

This is nothing to do with the EU but everything to do with UK government policy over the decades.

And I was around when a well-known retailer thought this brand "new" method of working was a great one. Oddly they couldn't find anyone at the time to take the roles as people had sufficient employment protection then.

[vetran]

I love the way Brexiters, without fail, go off on a tangent when possibly inconvenient truths and reality intrude on their fantasy.
There's something about the education system in this country that encourages infantilism.

So what do you think vetran, will a hard Brexit benefit the common man?

Not seen many inconvenient truths lots of unsubstantiated lies from remainers.

In the long term yes assuming we negotiate Brexit properly.

But lets turn the question around how would have remaining in an organisation modeled on one of the most oppressive in modern history benefited the common man? Do please try to come up with something truthful.

One of the reason's the leave vote won was because we tried to negotiate with the EU and they just slammed the door in our face. How do you think they would behave when they have even more power?

Maybe the rest of the EU will start thinking (?)rexit and the EU might lose some of its arrogance then negotiate?

[sasguru]

wibble

I love the way Brexiters, without fail, go off on a tangent when possibly inconvenient truths and reality intrude on their fantasy.
There's something about the education system in this country that encourages infantilism.

So what do you think vetran, will a hard Brexit benefit the common man?

[vetran]

OK I concede you beat me

some tulip about how Sas's hubby has taken them on holiday to Portugal so they will miss brexit

FTFY

[sasguru]

Well, whatever.

I think we may be about to find out if the EU was good for the common man or not.
That's why I want a hard Brexit, it's the best way to settle this once and for all

[vetran]

To little Englanders like him - Yes.

The people on zero hours contracts etc in poorer parts of the country were voting for something different e.g. not to be left behind. Unfortunately they didn't realise the sports facilities etc they have planned won't be paid for by the UK government who doesn't give a tulip about them.

You might want to look up 'Little Englander' it doesn't mean what you think it does.

Zero hour contracts have been around for decades the EU has done nothing to stop them, big multinationals like them. The EU won't fight it because it pushes up employment, the elephant in the room is that sooner or later all these jobs will be mechanised and we will have a low skilled workforce with nothing to do.

Now an over supply of cheap and effectively subsidised labour has encouraged this abuse in the UK imagine what it will be like when the robots, drones etc take off.

The UK government cares about its electorate far more than the EU does about its victims

https://euobserver.com/justice/122955

Corrupt European countries costing EU nearly £800bn a year, says study | The Independent

Britain is the sixth least corrupt country in Europe, behind Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland and Denmark, it says.

Hmm so glad we are a part of it?

[vetran]

FTFY.

That's because the only people who think that the EU resembles the EUSSR are a small minority of Brexiters. I work with Czechs, Hungarians and Poles. They still hold a deep hatred for Russia and all it does and has represented. If you were to suggest the EU is the USSR reborn to them, you'd be taking your teeth home in your hat. (This is the same hat you're talking through when you spout such ill-informed nonsense ).

so lets sort this, is the EU responsible for peace in Europe as claimed by EUphiles regularly and as was confidently put forward as a major reason for staying , it being in its original charter. Or does it have f all to do with it and was it another Remainer lie?

The fact that your colleagues are a bunch of thugs with a hair trigger makes sense to me. The intention of the EU is to create an EU federal state ruling its member states with its own centralised Army & Political wing. This is to be achieved by a series of treaties & coercion, Not sure what other organisation it is similar to, maybe you can explain?

[SueEllen]

At the cost of ******* up the lives of millions of people (Brits living in the EU and the EU nationals living in the UK). Is that price worth paying?

To little Englanders like him - Yes.

The people on zero hours contracts etc in poorer parts of the country were voting for something different e.g. not to be left behind. Unfortunately they didn't realise the sports facilities etc they have planned won't be paid for by the UK government who doesn't give a tulip about them.