Birstall MP attacked and killed

[NickFitz]

Watched it. Silly thing to say. But he wasn't calling for violence.

I never said he was. I did say

I explicitly didn't describe it as a "call for violence" precisely because of its mealy-mouthed phrasing - you're putting those words in my mouth.

[PurpleGorilla]

Because it's carefully expressed as a vague belief that there may be violence, in a sort of "not my fault, can't say I didn't warn you" kind of way. Also, I explicitly didn't describe it as a "call for violence" precisely because of its mealy-mouthed phrasing - you're putting those words in my mouth.

Start at 42 seconds in:

https://youtu.be/2mX1etFEb4E?t=42

Watched it. Silly thing to say. But he wasn't calling for violence.

[eek]

Rupert Murdoch's papers saying we should act like it's all meaningless and not relevant to anything that might adversely affect Rupert Murdoch's interests? What a surprise

And no, I don't have a Times subscription; I'm going on the headline.

Murdoch's papers are merely following the survey results of their readers. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise is paranoid (although at the moment that's hardly surprising)..

[jamesbrown]

Rupert Murdoch's papers saying we should act like it's all meaningless and not relevant to anything that might adversely affect Rupert Murdoch's interests? What a surprise

And no, I don't have a Times subscription; I'm going on the headline.

Imagine that, Matthew Parris is now a Murdoch lackey, having engaged in some of the most searing critiques of the leading Brexit campaigners throughout.

Bubble.

[DaveB]

I don't watch television; I get all my news online. No matter how wretchedly foul an opinion is, or which side of the political spectrum it comes from, somebody will end up retweeting it into my timeline

Oops, replied to the wrong post, that was mean to go underneath PG's earlier post about not seeing anything on the telly.

[NickFitz]

Alternatively just look at the postings of certain groups, ok one group, on Facebook and other social media. The same ones who promised to hang as traitors anyone who stood against them when they won the election for London Mayor.

The media isn't just television, a lot more gets said a lot more explicitly in other forums.

I don't watch television; I get all my news online. No matter how wretchedly foul an opinion is, or which side of the political spectrum it comes from, somebody will end up retweeting it into my timeline

[NickFitz]

OK, enjoy your stretches. I hope you disentangle yourself. In the mean time, you might want to ponder this, assuming you have a Times subscription:

The lesson of Jo Cox’s death? There isn’t one | | The Times & The Sunday Times

Rupert Murdoch's papers saying we should act like it's all meaningless and not relevant to anything that might adversely affect Rupert Murdoch's interests? What a surprise

And no, I don't have a Times subscription; I'm going on the headline.

[DaveB]

The chap apparently believed that she was a traitor who was betraying Britain, and that violence against her was therefore justified.

He must have formed those opinions based on something. I can only think of one political grouping that has recently been all over the media describing people of opposing views as traitors who are betraying Britain, and whose leader has said that if his side don't get their way then he thinks it likely they will feel impelled to turn to violence in support of their aims.

So I don't think it's a stretch to assume that school of thought has informed Mr Death-to-Traitors Freedom-for-Britain's actions.

Alternatively just look at the postings of certain groups, ok one group, on Facebook and other social media. The same ones who promised to hang as traitors anyone who stood against them when they won the election for London Mayor.

The media isn't just television, a lot more gets said a lot more explicitly in other forums.

[NickFitz]

I haven't seen any call to violence on the telly.

Because it's carefully expressed as a vague belief that there may be violence, in a sort of "not my fault, can't say I didn't warn you" kind of way. Also, I explicitly didn't describe it as a "call for violence" precisely because of its mealy-mouthed phrasing - you're putting those words in my mouth.

Start at 42 seconds in:

https://youtu.be/2mX1etFEb4E?t=42

[jamesbrown]

The chap apparently believed that she was a traitor who was betraying Britain, and that violence against her was therefore justified.

He must have formed those opinions based on something. I can only think of one political grouping that has recently been all over the media describing people of opposing views as traitors who are betraying Britain, and whose leader has said that if his side don't get their way then he thinks it likely they will feel impelled to turn to violence in support of their aims.

So I don't think it's a stretch to assume that school of thought has informed Mr Death-to-Traitors Freedom-for-Britain's actions.

OK, enjoy your stretches. I hope you disentangle yourself. In the mean time, you might want to ponder this, assuming you have a Times subscription:

The lesson of Jo Cox’s death? There isn’t one | | The Times & The Sunday Times