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So thickos support Brexit and the more intelligent support staying in
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Do you want to put some meat on that bone? On the flipside I know for fact there's a shed load of people coming here and we have no way of saying no to a great number of these. I know for a fact there's massive strain on the NHS, schools, transport infrastructure and housing. It's also apparent that Cameron is trying, for the third time, to scary people into voting his way. If being part of the EU is so great then make a positive case.Originally posted by Eirikur View PostAfter 11 years living in the UK I still don't get how the tabloids, which publish mostly made up stories and lies, can have so much influence, ofcourse it's mostly the simpletons reading them, but government (and Brexit) by tabloid is scary
I would go so far as to say the ‘thickos support Brexit’ is false. What they mean is lower income groups who are in the frontline of vast cultural and economic shifts in the UK and find themselves high-and-dry.Comment
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Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostDo you want to put some meat on that bone? On the flipside I know for fact there's a shed load of people coming here and we have no way of saying no to a great number of these. I know for a fact there's massive strain on the NHS, schools, transport infrastructure and housing. It's also apparent that Cameron is trying, for the third time, to scary people into voting his way. If being part of the EU is so great then make a positive case.
I would go so far as to say the ‘thickos support Brexit’ is false. What they mean is lower income groups who are in the frontline of vast cultural and economic shifts in the UK and find themselves high-and-dry.Comment
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And none of this will change if you want to be in the EEA after quitting the EU - why is that so hard to understand? The massive strain would be alleviated somewhat if the government you no doubt voted for stopped this austerity BS and properly funded things like the NHS, schools and transport and changed rules around who could buy housing and why.Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostDo you want to put some meat on that bone? On the flipside I know for fact there's a shed load of people coming here and we have no way of saying no to a great number of these. I know for a fact there's massive strain on the NHS, schools, transport infrastructure and housing.
Everything isn't the fault of immigrants!Comment
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Strain on housing, welfare, Crime, healthcare of course are nothing to do with Immigration - you are Diane Abbot and I claim my free public school education.Originally posted by seanraaron View PostAnd none of this will change if you want to be in the EEA after quitting the EU - why is that so hard to understand? The massive strain would be alleviated somewhat if the government you no doubt voted for stopped this austerity BS and properly funded things like the NHS, schools and transport and changed rules around who could buy housing and why.
Everything isn't the fault of immigrants!
We could of course take the money we pay the EU and spend it on something else.Comment
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I'm Polish and I live in the strict centre and I'm not cheap!Originally posted by tomtomagain View PostIt's hardly surprising that lower-skilled workers are less in favour Europe.
Unchecked migration has pushed down their job prospects, pushed up their housing costs and undermined their sense of community.
On the other hand middle-class left leaning Guardian reading bores love to prattle on about how lovely their Polish gardener is. And how cheap! But of course the Polish and Romanian staff cannot afford to live anywhere near by.
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Or raise (and collect) corporation tax or not renew trident or raise income tax or VAT or whatever is needed to pay for the things that people want. Preventing non-residents from buying property or strongly discouraging buy-to-let to ensure affordable properties aren't snapped up by speculators would also be a good thing.Originally posted by vetran View PostStrain on housing, welfare, Crime, healthcare of course are nothing to do with Immigration - you are Diane Abbot and I claim my free public school education.
We could of course take the money we pay the EU and spend it on something else.
Deporting all non-citizens and blocking immigration will not magically solve any of these things.Comment
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A trade agreement is totally different from agreeing to free movement of people. Cameron is a lying toad. What happened to the 'no ifs, no buts' cutting immigration down to tens of thousands? He and you are saying that in or out of the EU makes no odds, we just have to take this on the chin.Originally posted by seanraaron View PostAnd none of this will change if you want to be in the EEA after quitting the EU - why is that so hard to understand? The massive strain would be alleviated somewhat if the government you no doubt voted for stopped this austerity BS and properly funded things like the NHS, schools and transport and changed rules around who could buy housing and why.
Everything isn't the fault of immigrants!
I'm not daft enough to think that that it's all the fault of immigrants, but adding such vast numbers of people into the UK isn't possible and there are obvious signs all about us. The NHS continues have vast sums poured into it. The building of houses and schools just can't keep up. Meanwhile the standard of living of current residents continues to slip. You are now suggesting the regulation of the housing market by changing the rules of who can buy a house. How would that work? Billionaire Russians can't buy houses? Oh, and you're wrong on the voting front.Comment
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Tell that to Switzerland.Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostA trade agreement is totally different from agreeing to free movement of people.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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and if we had a shortage in your profession we could grant a work Visa, your effect on wages & the community would be positive.Originally posted by diseasex View PostI'm Polish and I live in the strict centre and I'm not cheap!
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