The business geography of Northen England

[MarillionFan]

Technically the void still is to the East of Newcastle by the way,

You're making no sense.

[Bunk]

Maybe he means if you go far enough east (around the entire planet) you'll eventually get to the void in question.

[minestrone]

You seem to be asking a Suity type question with important bits of information drip fed into the thread as desired. What exactly are you looking for manufacturing centres or service centres. In both cases you won't find many in Northumberland and Cumbria as there is neither the infrastructure to distribute the goods (if the former) or demand for servicing (if the later)...

Firstly, I have came to the thread with the acceptance that I have done something wrong in my calculations, secondly it is on the first page, I have made 2 posts, it is not on the 15th page. How dare you regard this matter as on a par with suity's threads.

Having come from rurally parts myself I am aware of the concept that people are spread a bit on the ground but generally there is a greater need for vehicles in their parts and there is some kind of economy that keeps people fed and stuff. Car ownership is probably higher and car usage is also higher than in most towns. I don't know what manufacturing or service centres have to do with it all. There are far higher numbers in the Borders than in and around Inverness but far more place around Inverness, there are also more people in Cumbria than the borders and Inverness put to together.

I was hoping one of the friendly locals might be on when they got from the slaughtered lamb. Instead I get jumped the nylon pant brothers.

[MarillionFan]

Firstly, I have came to the thread with the acceptance that I have done something wrong in my calculations, secondly it is on the first page, I have made 2 posts, it is not on the 15th page. How dare you regard this matter as on a par with suity's threads.

Having come from rurally parts myself I am aware of the concept that people are spread a bit on the ground but generally there is a greater need for vehicles in their parts and there is some kind of economy that keeps people fed and stuff. Car ownership is probably higher and car usage is also higher than in most towns. I don't know what manufacturing or service centres have to do with it all. There are far higher numbers in the Borders than in and around Inverness but far more place around Inverness, there are also more people in Cumbria than the borders and Inverness put to together.

I was hoping one of the friendly locals might be on when they got from the slaughtered lamb. Instead I get jumped the nylon pant brothers.

As much as I don't like to piss on somebodies parade, you need to be a little more specific.

You have stated that you have used 'Companies' House, which alludes to the positions of car companies / resellers around the country. It cannot be manufacturers as you have too many points and as we all know, they are in Germany or Asia.

You allude to a 'gap'. Resellers will be based around the major populated areas/cities, so no surprise there.

If this is maybe 'fuel stations' then lo and behold I don't expect to see a high correlation of service stations at John o Groats, so frankly, I have feck all idea what you're plotting and expecting to see. BE MORE SPECIFIC!!!

[minestrone]

Why companies house extracts?

Why not use a vendor like D&B to get the data you want?

I actually get to use Scottish Enterprise's business investigation/research/intelligence ( whatever they are called) team who to be fair are pretty good, you ask them a question and they come back the next day with 50mg of excel files. I said companies house as usually start of the search with the company type code, the level of information they can get to is more than enough well presented, and free for me as the business has been supported now.

The problem is that I have to tie that in with who they are trading as on the high street which as most of them seem to change their trading name every 6 weeks aaa11111car.com to 1111aaaaacar.com and back again which they don't update and absolutely none of them have any company info , registration, vat details whatsoever on their websites which is to be fair has been a legal requirement for nearly 10 years so it gets tricky.

You can narrow them down and link up lots by using postcodes and the like but cant get them all, and I tell you only about 60% of them seem to have postcodes on the site which you would think would be important to them, and they get it completely wrong about 10% of the time, like 10 chars and stuff.

I reverse looked up all the servers in the UK that host car firm websites but about 40% of the domains are gone now, when I was a tech lead with Toyota I insisted of far higher standards, IT marketing in the automotive industry has honestly went backwards in the last 10 years

Anyways I am going to pull all the information together as best I can then find the cheapest group of people I can in the third world who can understand my accent and use google and excel to manually do the rest.

[minestrone]

Anywhere that sells a car.

I tend not to be that specific about start ups on the internet.

[minestrone]

As much as I don't like to piss on somebodies parade, you need to be a little more specific.

You have stated that you have used 'Companies' House, which alludes to the positions of car companies / resellers around the country. It cannot be manufacturers as you have too many points and as we all know, they are in Germany or Asia.

You allude to a 'gap'. Resellers will be based around the major populated areas/cities, so no surprise there.

If this is maybe 'fuel stations' then lo and behold I don't expect to see a high correlation of service stations at John o Groats, so frankly, I have feck all idea what you're plotting and expecting to see. BE MORE SPECIFIC!!!

If you had just waited till I replied before ranting on about a reply to another poster you might have kept your hair on.

I don't know why everyone so short tempered on this thread.

[SueEllen]

Anywhere that sells a car.

I tend not to be that specific about start ups on the internet.

Are you looking at registered addresses or trading addresses?

[eek]

Anywhere that sells a car.

I tend not to be that specific about start ups on the internet.

And now we know what you are talking about we can give you an answer. There will be zero main dealers in those places as demand ain't there. Likewise there will be very few car dealers there due to utter lack of demand and supply.

Looking at the Dales and Moors (areas that I probably know the economics of better than anyone else on here) you will find very few car dealers of any sort there just isn't the demand and supply to justify their existence. Those that do sell cars will do it as a sideline to their repair business on the basis that people will buy a car from the repairer their trust. Its a small market though as most people will look for cars above the banger level and so will look further away for a replacement where a larger selection exists to choose from..

So your map is probably right are missing an understanding of how the market probably works in the countryside...

[Sysman]

And now we know what you are talking about we can give you an answer. There will be zero main dealers in those places as demand ain't there. Likewise there will be very few car dealers there due to utter lack of demand and supply.

Looking at the Dales and Moors (areas that I probably know the economics of better than anyone else on here) you will find very few car dealers of any sort there just isn't the demand and supply to justify their existence. Those that do sell cars will do it as a sideline to their repair business on the basis that people will buy a car from the repairer their trust. Its a small market though as most people will look for cars above the banger level and so will look further away for a replacement where a larger selection exists to choose from..

So your map is probably right are missing an understanding of how the market probably works in the countryside...

In the Dales there is the occasional dealer but certainly not of main dealer status. As you say their sales will mainly come from customers who use them for repairs. If you want a Ford from a Citroen dealer they'll happily oblige, so who sells what is not as clear cut as in urban areas.

The farming community will travel a fair distance to get the best price for vehicles and the ones I knew would happily tell you where they got the best deal, so there was a knock on effect from that.