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Working in Silicon Valley or San Francisco

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    #11
    I lived in the Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale) for 2 years between 2000 and 2002.

    I'd agree with most comments above but I guess it depends on your circumstances and what you want to do.

    I went with my wife and two kids (aged 8 and 10 at the time) and in summary I'd say we enjoyed the place but the people were something else (see comments above).

    At the weekends and holidays there is always loads to do and the fact that you can rely on the weather is a huge bonus (it doesn't really rain between April and November so camping and BBQ's are a good option).

    In winter you can drive to Tahoe for a day's skiing or boarding. Yosemite is a fantastic place to visit, amazingly different in winter and summer. Its also a great base to explore further afield; we did Seattle, Vancouver, Victoria, Vegas, LA, San Diego and Hawaii (twice). SF itself is a lovely city with lots to see and do. Silicon Valley is around an hour or so south.

    If you're interested in nightlife then there's not much outside of SF. We tended to stick with the ex-pats and 'English' pubs - the Americans don't really do drinking. When I went for a night out with them it would be pizza at 7.30 and back home by 9. Even the one wedding I went to was done before 10pm.

    As for working conditions, again I'd agree with the above. I remember sitting through a marketing presentation at TiVo (to the entire staff) of 2 new TV adverts for the product. At the end everyone was whooping and hollering their approval (except me who thought the ads were crap). There does tend to be an almost evangelical zeal in some companies.

    They also expect you to works longs hours with very few holidays (the 10 days quoted above is actually typical).

    I definitely don't regret it and would do it again but I think 2 years is enough, in California at least. Hope that helps!

    Oh and I was on a salary of > $100k - much more than a UK salary but much less than I was earning as a contractor in the UK.
    Last edited by gadgetman; 11 February 2008, 14:51.

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      #12
      San Francisco is an awesome city and I intend to end up there in the not too distant future!

      Beaker, with the E3 visa I think you'll need a firm job offer before getting the visa which can be tricky.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Devlin View Post
        San Francisco is an awesome city and I intend to end up there in the not too distant future!

        Beaker, with the E3 visa I think you'll need a firm job offer before getting the visa which can be tricky.
        Yep that's right... I agree San Francisco is awesome, recently spent a week there and enjoyed every minute!

        What do you plan on doing there?

        You are right about the E3 visa. You do need a firm offer before it is offered. Although you are not tied to that company once you are there.

        It's one place I'm considering, to be on the leading edge of the web industry, but I wanted to hear about others' experiences there before I start applying for work. So thanks all for your replies so far...
        Don't ask Beaker. He's just another muppet.

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          #14
          Originally posted by beaker View Post
          Yep that's right... I agree San Francisco is awesome, recently spent a week there and enjoyed every minute!

          What do you plan on doing there?

          You are right about the E3 visa. You do need a firm offer before it is offered. Although you are not tied to that company once you are there.

          It's one place I'm considering, to be on the leading edge of the web industry, but I wanted to hear about others' experiences there before I start applying for work. So thanks all for your replies so far...
          My wife and I are planning to move there, probably won't worry about finding work until we're there though. Like you we are Aussies but there doesn't seem all that much to go back to in terms of IT jobs and the cost of living seems to have sky-rocketed!

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            #15
            Don't say that - I'm hoping to go to Oz at the end of this year!

            Originally posted by Devlin View Post
            My wife and I are planning to move there, probably won't worry about finding work until we're there though. Like you we are Aussies but there doesn't seem all that much to go back to in terms of IT jobs and the cost of living seems to have sky-rocketed!

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              #16
              Originally posted by mbriody View Post
              Don't say that - I'm hoping to go to Oz at the end of this year!
              Depends on what your reaons for going are are... If it's for a cheaper cost of living and equal or higher to UK wages - forget it!

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                #17
                We know income is lower but (up to now) I'd believed that cost of living was lower to match.

                My wife is a midwife so she will be on a normal salary, I'm hoping to contract. We're looking at Melbourne or Perth.

                Originally posted by Devlin View Post
                Depends on what your reaons for going are are... If it's for a cheaper cost of living and equal or higher to UK wages - forget it!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by mbriody View Post
                  We know income is lower but (up to now) I'd believed that cost of living was lower to match.

                  My wife is a midwife so she will be on a normal salary, I'm hoping to contract. We're looking at Melbourne or Perth.
                  It most definitely is not any more. Exchange rate is only about AUD $2.16 to the GBP now and a standard loaf of bread is almost AUD $5! I paid almost $9 for a pint in Melbourne ffs!

                  Are you planning to move out there for good? If you are going to need anything but a small mortgage I would say Melbourne would be better for you without knowing more about your situation.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by mbriody View Post
                    We know income is lower but (up to now) I'd believed that cost of living was lower to match.

                    My wife is a midwife so she will be on a normal salary, I'm hoping to contract. We're looking at Melbourne or Perth.
                    The IT contracting is much stronger in Melbourne than Perth. Your wife should be able to find fairly well paid work as a mid wife anywhere.

                    IMO the main high cost of living is housing (ie if you want to buy a house). The houses might seem cheap when converted to pounds but they are expensive when earning an Australian wage. Renting is comparitively cheap. The main thing is an average Australian house is bigger and will have more land than an average British house.

                    For some reason lots of Brits want to go live in Perth - I don't understand why...?
                    Don't ask Beaker. He's just another muppet.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by beaker View Post
                      The IT contracting is much stronger in Melbourne than Perth. Your wife should be able to find fairly well paid work as a mid wife anywhere.

                      IMO the main high cost of living is housing (ie if you want to buy a house). The houses might seem cheap when converted to pounds but they are expensive when earning an Australian wage. Renting is comparitively cheap. The main thing is an average Australian house is bigger and will have more land than an average British house.

                      For some reason lots of Brits want to go live in Perth - I don't understand why...?
                      Agreed, however I think the cost of essentials - especially food has gone up massively in about the last 3-4 years. Also eating out used to be dirt cheap, but when I was back in Melbourne just over a year ago I can honestly say that decent restaurants were not much cheaper than in London!

                      I have family in Perth. You couln't pay me enough to live there! The Brits love it though because it used to be cheap and is reliably unbearably hot in summer.

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