Contingent Work - Contracts - Temp-to-Perm

[ItsInTheGame]

There an enormous amount of 6 months contracts rather than 12 and I've been offered 2 in the past 6 weeks. Is this to reel you in and attempt to hit you with an immediate perm-to-hire offer at month 5?

I've been offered Role of x and the perm equivalent if they exercise their agreement is a 3rd of the contracting rate, the agency has confirmed this - crazy to think the hirer thinks Sick, Pension, Holiday and Health Perks (discount stability as being a perm isn't commitment anyway as both parties could end it easily)

My question is, how many 6 month term roles actually get extended and do you, the seasoned contractors typically turn down the temp-to-perm offer?



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[cojak]

There’s nothing unusual in 6 month contracts. I’ve never been offered a 12 month contract - they smack of FTCs.

it is usual for 6 month contracts to be extended if the project will last longer than that.

[TheDude]

Everything is six months at the moment.

[ladymuck]

I've worked on rolling 3 or 6 month (even down to 1 month!) contracts for the past 16+ years. This is not new, it's normal.

[northernladuk]

There an enormous amount of 6 months contracts rather than 12 and I've been offered 2 in the past 6 weeks. Is this to reel you in and attempt to hit you with an immediate perm-to-hire offer at month 5?

No it's because their budget cycles run in 3 or 6 month cycles so they often can't get sign off for longer. The extension will need approving at regular intervals depending on what their budget process is. There maybe other controls on suppliers and contractors above and beyond that to stop clients taking on contractors unchecked for very long periods of time. In 10 years I've never been offered a role for 12 months ever. The odd agent has tried to sell it along with a low rate but it's just bollocks because they have no control over the time or renewal dates.

Also if clients have a lot of need for 12 month work they should be looking at perm resource not expensive specialists. No it's not to reel you in. In my experience I've only ever been offered a perm role once in 10 years and I've done up to 4 years at a client.

I've been offered Role of x and the perm equivalent if they exercise their agreement is a 3rd of the contracting rate, the agency has confirmed this - crazy to think the hirer thinks Sick, Pension, Holiday and Health Perks (discount stability as being a perm isn't commitment anyway as both parties could end it easily)

Any role like that is going to be inside anyway. I've not seen what you are describing and it hasn't been discussed on here at all so you've found an odd situation which certainly isn't the norm.

My question is, how many 6 month term roles actually get extended and do you, the seasoned contractors typically turn down the temp-to-perm offer?
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How long is a piece of string? It depends on how long the work is and the budget last. There is no yardstick for how many get extended, you just have to get it, get on with the work and just treat an extension like a bonus and nothing more. Expecting renewals will only end in tears at some point. Only a very small number of contractors accept perm at the end. The seasoned contractors probably won't have taken a role like that anyway because it's got to be inside. Experienced people will be outside only. If you are retiring or some family situation dictates you might take perm but it's very rare.

[ItsInTheGame]

No it's because their budget cycles run in 3 or 6 month cycles so they often can't get sign off for longer. The extension will need approving at regular intervals depending on what their budget process is. There maybe other controls on suppliers and contractors above and beyond that to stop clients taking on contractors unchecked for very long periods of time. In 10 years I've never been offered a role for 12 months ever. The odd agent has tried to sell it along with a low rate but it's just bollocks because they have no control over the time or renewal dates.

Also if clients have a lot of need for 12 month work they should be looking at perm resource not expensive specialists. No it's not to reel you in. In my experience I've only ever been offered a perm role once in 10 years and I've done up to 4 years at a client.

Any role like that is going to be inside anyway. I've not seen what you are describing and it hasn't been discussed on here at all so you've found an odd situation which certainly isn't the norm.

How long is a piece of string? It depends on how long the work is and the budget last. There is no yardstick for how many get extended, you just have to get it, get on with the work and just treat an extension like a bonus and nothing more. Expecting renewals will only end in tears at some point. Only a very small number of contractors accept perm at the end. The seasoned contractors probably won't have taken a role like that anyway because it's got to be inside. Experienced people will be outside only. If you are retiring or some family situation dictates you might take perm but it's very rare.

Ta

Nearly all contract roles are inside IR35, very few are out and even then it's suspect determination.

All Agent Based Contingent Roles include a Temp to Perm Agreement, this is nothing new and protects the agency/recruiter from the hiring company poaching staff as there will be a hiring fee based on the Salary.

[northernladuk]

Ta

Nearly all contract roles are inside IR35, very few are out and even then it's suspect determination.

All Agent Based Contingent Roles include a Temp to Perm Agreement, this is nothing new and protects the agency/recruiter from the hiring company poaching staff as there will be a hiring fee based on the Salary.

What is it you do? Sounds like you are fishing in completely the wrong pond. We are specialists providing services the client either don't have. All the terminology above such as Contingent and Temp don't sound like these are contract roles. I've never seen this in any of my gigs. What you are describing above isn't contract work. It's a method of recruiting perms with a cheeky no risk probation period.

Something is wrong if all the roles you are a looking at are like this. I'd expect this more in first or second line service desk roles, not professional contracting.

[PCTNN]

There an enormous amount of 6 months contracts rather than 12 and I've been offered 2 in the past 6 weeks. Is this to reel you in and attempt to hit you with an immediate perm-to-hire offer at month 5?

In my career I've never been offered anything longer than 6 months. Also, all my 6 months contracts have been extended (or at least the client offered an extension) and never did the client try to offer me a permanent role.

question is, how many 6 month term roles actually get extended and do you, the seasoned contractors typically turn down the temp-to-perm offer?

All of them got extended.
The seasoned contractor typically turn down the contract to perm offer just like any other contractor would do, seasoned or green: you just say "no, thank you, I want to remain a contractor". Then depending on how the client takes it, you may start looking for another gig. Simple as.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

It's a method of recruiting perms with a cheeky no risk probation period.

Why would they need to do that? Permies can be fired at will inside the first two years.

[northernladuk]

Why would they need to do that? Permies can be fired at will inside the first two years.

Yes but no. There are still things they can do. They can still bring a case for Automatically unfair dismissal, Unlawful discrimination or Breach of contract. If they are that pissed of the can make trouble under those headings. It's covered in the link below.

https://www.davidsonmorris.com/dismi...years-service/

So yes you can but it's not without it's pitfalls so just taking them on as contractor is much much easier.