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Bit surprised....contractors being told to take time off for 'wellness'

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    #21
    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

    The context is that it's an inside gig. If they want a disguised perm then they can stump up the hardware.
    Well I mean that's just silly. Inside/Outside there's no difference to most people except for the small subset of geeks on here.

    Nothing has really changed except the way many contractors are paid now, clients/hiring managers don't suddenly think these contractors are now disguised perms because of regs so we should change how we treat them.

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      #22
      Originally posted by ensignia View Post

      Well I mean that's just silly. Inside/Outside there's no difference to most people except for the small subset of geeks on here.

      Nothing has really changed except the way many contractors are paid now, clients/hiring managers don't suddenly think these contractors are now disguised perms because of regs so we should change how we treat them.
      Technically correct but it's kind of a 'not fair' factor. If you want to put me inside and put me through a brolly then you can go whistle if you think I am going to use my own kit. That's the way the posts went up to the point you jumped in. If you are inside and need to buy a laptop you can't put it through expenses so not unreasonable to ask the client for kit.
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        #23
        Originally posted by TheDude View Post
        Tell them that you take your wellness breaks on tropical beaches between contracts rather than in cold and wet UK Januarys and Februarys.
        A cold and wet JAnuary is the perfect time to go find those tropical beaches.
        Originally posted by MaryPoppins
        I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
        Originally posted by vetran
        Urine is quite nourishing

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          #24
          Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
          If you are inside and need to buy a laptop you can't put it through expenses so not unreasonable to ask the client for kit.
          Why would you need to buy a laptop especially? Also, laptops/PCs/Macs are hardly a huge cost to bear for people who are on healthy day rates (regardless of whether you can bill it through your Co or not).

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            #25
            Originally posted by ensignia View Post

            Why would you need to buy a laptop especially? Also, laptops/PCs/Macs are hardly a huge cost to bear for people who are on healthy day rates (regardless of whether you can bill it through your Co or not).
            My business devices are highly specced and run full MS 365 suite of business and security tools. I pay MS over £500 a year (Action pack plus bolt-on licenses).
            If I were inside IR35 long term, I would be MVLing my business and no longer pay for those products.

            If a client want me to use my own device, without the advanced security tooling my business pay for, they are fecking idiots. It's more than just inside/outside. It's about who's responsible for securing the systems and information. As a business owner I have responsibility. As an employee I would have none.
            See You Next Tuesday

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              #26
              Originally posted by ensignia View Post

              Why would you need to buy a laptop especially? Also, laptops/PCs/Macs are hardly a huge cost to bear for people who are on healthy day rates (regardless of whether you can bill it through your Co or not).
              Who cares. I'm not arguing it with you. I pointed out why people were saying they'd demand a laptop and it's not unreasonable. Asking why people need laptops is getting silly and off topic so whatever.
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                #27
                Classic flailing from NLUK. Next you'll be requesting this to be moved to General.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by ensignia View Post
                  Classic flailing from NLUK. Next you'll be requesting this to be moved to General.
                  Hey?

                  He's explaining to you in simple terms why myself and others won't pay for a laptop if we are within IR35.
                  "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post

                    Hey?

                    He's explaining to you in simple terms why myself and others won't pay for a laptop if we are within IR35.
                    Yup.
                    Inside IR35 = Temporary employee = Employer (or "client" as some permitractors call them) supplies laptop and any other tools required by them to do the job.
                    Outside IR35, I use a mixture of Ltd equipment (where possible) and client equipment (where necessary). My company will not permit clients to install "unauthorised" software on our company equipment, and most of my clients have specific security protocols to access parts of their systems.
                    …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by ensignia View Post
                      Classic flailing from NLUK. Next you'll be requesting this to be moved to General.
                      Why on earth are you having a pop at me? I tried to help you by explaining the context of everyone's comments, nothing more. I didn't say I wanted a laptop and I'm not arguing the toss. Just pointing out why people inside would like a laptop from the client. All I added is that I think this is totally reasonable. I've not worked at a client that says own kit and IMO I'm always happy to take customer kit whatever my status is. Matters not to me.

                      I'm most certainly a good candidate for a good fail but in this case it's not me.
                      Last edited by northernladuk; 18 January 2022, 14:03.
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