IR35 - I am inside or outside ?

**cojak** · 29 March 2021, 21:03

It doesn’t matter how many clients you have, it depends on the contracts you have with them and your working practices.

And since we don’t know what they are, we have no idea if you are inside or outside.

**ladymuck** · 29 March 2021, 21:50

VAT registration is a red herring and receiving a bill for something +VAT shouldn't be a registration trigger. If you are under the threshold you shouldn't have to unless you're incurring a lot of input VAT that you'd be better off claiming.

But, as you're an accountant, you already know that...

As cojak says, you will have to review the terms of each contract you have with your clients to determine if all / some / none of them are caught.

You have much reading to do ---->

**ANIAKATE** · 30 March 2021, 07:39

... even if I have different clients each Months? only one Client is the same every Month - all others not

**eek** · 30 March 2021, 08:07

Originally posted by ANIAKATE View Post

... even if I have different clients each Months? only one Client is the same every Month - all others not

It doesn’t make any difference

the question comes down to how does every client individually regard you - as a service provider or an employee? With accountancy it may also be more difficult due to post holder rules.

**northernladuk** · 30 March 2021, 08:21

I you have to ask a question like this you have to be inside. There are pretty specific actions required to make you outside, it rarely just happens. If you have no idea what they are I struggle to see that you've met them by chance. Really poor approach to your job if you have to ask these questions. Pull your finger out and learn what you do.

Just to add, in 10 days time it won't be you that has to make the determination (in most cases) and it appears this has completely passed you by as well. Frightening lack of knowledge around what you do for a living. Buck up.

**Paralytic** · 30 March 2021, 08:29

IR35 - I am inside or outside ?

I've not read the thread yet, but i think a fairly standard response can be

"If you have to ask, you're likely inside".

**BlasterBates** · 30 March 2021, 08:58

Having several clients is a pointer to being outside but not the only criteria.

Here are some examples of determinations:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ing-rules-ir35

Susan is found to be outside of the scope of the off-payroll working rules for a number of reasons, including:

Susan is paid for work completed not by the day
she works at a location of her choosing
she can work for multiple clients

If you're paid for work done and not by the hour you're outside. If not you have to look a bit further at direction and control. The main thing would be contracts or agreements to produce deliverables even though you charge your hourly rate.

**Lance** · 30 March 2021, 10:08

Originally posted by ladymuck View Post

VAT registration is a red herring and receiving a bill for something +VAT shouldn't be a registration trigger. If you are under the threshold you shouldn't have to unless you're incurring a lot of input VAT that you'd be better off claiming.

But, as you're an accountant, you already know that...

As cojak says, you will have to review the terms of each contract you have with your clients to determine if all / some / none of them are caught.

You have much reading to do ---->

Doing "accountancy" is something anyone can do. I do it. Although calling it bookkeeping is more common
Being an accountant is very different.
Note that I also do "gas" work, but nobody should ever hire me as I'm not qualified or safe

The OP is almost certainly the former.

**ladymuck** · 30 March 2021, 10:39

Originally posted by Lance View Post

Doing "accountancy" is something anyone can do. I do it. Although calling it bookkeeping is more common
Being an accountant is very different.
Note that I also do "gas" work, but nobody should ever hire me as I'm not qualified or safe

The OP is almost certainly the former.

I forgot the sarcasm tags, sorry.

IR35 - I am inside or outside ?