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Fixed Term Contracts - what lunatics work on these ?

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  • Whorty
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    Originally posted by JohnM View Post

    I think you are trying to kid yourself with the 15K more comment, trust me NONE of the FTC on jobserve or total jobs I have seen are anything iike 15K more than perm, most almost identical to similar perm roles
    It's really simple then, don't take one. FTCs have been going for donkey's years, some people don't mind them.

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  • Whorty
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    Originally posted by JohnM View Post

    Yes but what reasons are there for a contractor to do one over a normal contract or a perm role, that is my point
    - because you want/need the work
    - because the location is right
    - because the company is right
    - because there may be training/new tech
    - because you want a perm job there and this is a good way in

    Lots of reasons. I've done 3 over the years for a number of reasons and enjoyed them. Pay isn't as good as day rate for sure, it's not always about money is it? All 3 offered me a perm towards the end of FTC period - I turned them all down as I didn't want to be a permie.

    It's not all black and white.

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  • Amanensia
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    I'm on FTC. First non-Ltd role in the last twenty years. New contract early last year with a client whom I have worked for in the distant past, but not in the last decade. They initially wanted to offer "outside" roles but their legal dept kicked that into touch so they asked what I and several others would need to make FTC work.

    We calculated the FTC salary that would result in a neutral take-home package compared to "proper" contracting, including allowing for the fact that we'd need to be paying our own expenses out of post-tax income etc. Obviously this came in massively outside their salary scales but as it's a huge regulatory project and they had no other way of resourcing it, they eventually agreed. No pastoral or objective-setting nonsense either.

    Just renewed for another six months - and given that it's ended up being 100% from home, I'm actually better off than I would have been going via Ltd. Couldn't be happier - although that's only because they are stumping up proper cash.

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  • Peoplesoft bloke
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    Personally I would never take an inside IR35 gig. Lucky for me since all the outside gigs dried up I got a perm role, but if all I had on offer was a FTC I'd certainly consider it. I would never consider working inside IR35 - that is the real area we need to try to stamp out IMHO.

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by JohnM View Post

    I am seeing .net 6-12 month FTC contracts at £40-50,000 per annum

    Its a p*ss take mate, pure and simple, people trying to kid themselves the are the same as perm roles are deluded, these will have a far bigger negative impact than IR35 if they become common place because people continue to accept them and work on them

    If they want you short term tell then to pay contract market rates, if they want to pay you a perm salary offer you a perm roll

    FTC under a year in length are wrong, if you are working one of these you need to have a word with yourself
    Things are not as black and white as you would like them to be. FTC fill a need and there are many people glad of the work they provide.

    You don't like them, that's fine, but you're not going to get much more from this thread I suspect.

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  • Paralytic
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    Originally posted by JohnM View Post

    I am seeing .net 6-12 month FTC contracts at £40-50,000 per annum

    Its a p*ss take mate, pure and simple, people trying to kid themselves the are the same as perm roles are deluded, these will have a far bigger negative impact than IR35 if they become common place because people continue to accept them and work on them
    If people are taking those roles, then that is, by definition, the market rate for that role. Supply & demand. For me, that would be a signal to learn a less commoditised skillset.

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  • IsaacD
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    Originally posted by JohnM View Post

    I am seeing .net 6-12 month FTC contracts at £40-50,000 per annum

    Its a p*ss take mate, pure and simple, people trying to kid themselves the are the same as perm roles are deluded, these will have a far bigger negative impact than IR35 if they become common place because people continue to accept them and work on them

    If they want you short term tell then to pay contract market rates, if they want to pay you a perm salary offer you a perm roll

    FTC under a year in length are wrong, if you are working one of these you need to have a word with yourself
    You're wrong, as I tried to explain, a FTC can be (note: not always, not all FTCs are the same) the equivalent financially of an inside ir35 gig. Perhaps you're ruling yourself out of inside gigs too, which I suppose you might do if you're a bit dense.

    Either way, don't take a FTC, it's your decision. Trying to tell the market and everyone else what it is right to do based your misconceptions is a route to madness, you might as well shout at the moon.

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  • JohnM
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    Originally posted by CalmEddie View Post
    Another way of looking at this is every Permanent job is a FTC for 2 years. I've worked for a few companies where 10% of the workforce had been there over 15 years and 90% fewer than 24 months.

    Companies that offer FTC of a stated duration are perhaps being more honest with their intentions.


    Personally I prefer a little more say over my own destiny, but there's a place for FTCs. I do wish though that the job boards would create a specific category so we can filter them out of a search.



    I am seeing .net 6-12 month FTC contracts at £40-50,000 per annum

    Its a p*ss take mate, pure and simple, people trying to kid themselves the are the same as perm roles are deluded, these will have a far bigger negative impact than IR35 if they become common place because people continue to accept them and work on them

    If they want you short term tell then to pay contract market rates, if they want to pay you a perm salary offer you a perm roll

    FTC under a year in length are wrong, if you are working one of these you need to have a word with yourself

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by CalmEddie View Post
    Another way of looking at this is every Permanent job is a FTC for 2 years. I've worked for a few companies where 10% of the workforce had been there over 15 years and 90% fewer than 24 months.

    Companies that offer FTC of a stated duration are perhaps being more honest with their intentions.


    Personally I prefer a little more say over my own destiny, but there's a place for FTCs. I do wish though that the job boards would create a specific category so we can filter them out of a search.



    That would be very handy.

    And an inside/outside IR35 filter.

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  • CalmEddie
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    Another way of looking at this is every Permanent job is a FTC for 2 years. I've worked for a few companies where 10% of the workforce had been there over 15 years and 90% fewer than 24 months.

    Companies that offer FTC of a stated duration are perhaps being more honest with their intentions.


    Personally I prefer a little more say over my own destiny, but there's a place for FTCs. I do wish though that the job boards would create a specific category so we can filter them out of a search.




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