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    #11
    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
    I'm not sure that's the case though and that's where it get's very confusing. They can get away with it because the obligation to provide the work in contract has been completed, lets say build a wall, and they are under no obligation to give you further work once this is completed. In fact to keep yourself IR35 status safe you should insist they offer you no more work. If they want something else doing you cancel that contract and start a new one with new deliverables.

    If you sign a contract to build a wall you are contractually obliged to do so. You can't just say I'm off with half a wall built. You are still obliged to deliver what was agreed surely.

    That is if you have a set outcome to achieve in the contract though, which most of ours aren't. In the absence of a marked delivered isn't the end date the deliverable? Dunno.

    As LM says though, client/supplier contracts are not a level playing field.

    EDIT : But if anyone on this forum is aware of the intricacies of MoO it's you so an odd discussion really
    We sign a T&M contract and if the client gives us four weeks' notice when we are half way through building the wall and tells us there is no more work available, that's it. You can't sue them. It works the other way as well.


    I would guess, having never gone to court over it.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
      I would guess, having never gone to court over it.
      Indeed but you'd think something should have got there and if not got close enough for some of our learned members to have had visibility of the arguments.

      It's touched on in some of the IR35 cases like the JCB one where he's sent home if he can't work etc but not focused on to look at all the possible situations. Shame really. Pretty key area to be relying on tidbits and opinion.
      'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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        #13
        Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
        1/ Keep turning up, keep invoicing

        2/ Break your contract, face a risk of legal action

        3/ Explain that work is drying up and you don't feel that you're offering them with sufficient value for money and an early exit by you would be more cost-efficient for them; offer remote support via email as part of this should they have any queries after you've gone.

        4/ Do you have a substitute and substitution clause?
        3 seems the most sensible. Maybe offer to be available for a couple of days here and there to do support, and just balance that as days off from any new project.
        I'm not fat, I'm just fluffy.

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          #14
          Originally posted by DeludedKitten View Post
          3 seems the most sensible. Maybe offer to be available for a couple of days here and there to do support, and just balance that as days off from any new project.
          The added bonus is that it shows that you're not turning up expecting to be given work that isn't in your contracted deliverables. Thinking carefully on that point, if your contracted deliverables are completed, you could serve notice and advise that you'll be in until such a date to provide a handover but that you've already done what you were contracted to deliver.
          The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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            #15
            Why was the notice extended from 5 days to 4 weeks at renewal? Do they want you around for that length of time to do handovers that they think couldn't be done in the original 5 days, or at renewal time was there a lot more work anticipated that they didn't want resource issues having to be resolved within days of materialising?

            How long until your current extension ends?

            If there's not much work and client doesn't foresee that changing before contract end date then they may be willing to accept a compromise if their requirements or projected resource plans have changed. Discuss it with them. They may have more work in the pipeline you don't yet know about, so after getting the full picture you can then look at trying to get out of the contract early if that still appeals.
            Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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              #16
              Originally posted by DeludedKitten View Post
              3 seems the most sensible. Maybe offer to be available for a couple of days here and there to do support, and just balance that as days off from any new project.
              I agree. Ill be expressing my concerns this week.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Hobosapien View Post
                Why was the notice extended from 5 days to 4 weeks at renewal? Do they want you around for that length of time to do handovers that they think couldn't be done in the original 5 days, or at renewal time was there a lot more work anticipated that they didn't want resource issues having to be resolved within days of materialising?

                How long until your current extension ends?

                If there's not much work and client doesn't foresee that changing before contract end date then they may be willing to accept a compromise if their requirements or projected resource plans have changed. Discuss it with them. They may have more work in the pipeline you don't yet know about, so after getting the full picture you can then look at trying to get out of the contract early if that still appeals.
                The agent said it was what the client requested. At the time I thought great. They must have a substantial amount of work for me...

                Two or three months have passed since the renewal. And I've had very little to do. It's driving me crazy.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by DanielSQL View Post
                  The agent said it was what the client requested. At the time I thought great. They must have a substantial amount of work for me....
                  Won't be making that assumption again will you?
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                    #19
                    Lol nope.

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                      #20
                      Updates.

                      So I eventually handed in my notice a few days ago. And accepted a new contract the following day. However, someone has decided to make things a little tricky.

                      I received an email from my current client. Basically saying they don't want me to leave and have guaranteed that more work is on the way....

                      I think you can see where this is going. I'm now tempted to stick around. The new contract has great potential but is well over two hours away. Whereas my current contract is only 40 mins away....

                      I'm rather annoyed all of this couldn't be resolved before I started looking elsewhere... A real shame it had to come to this.

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