is this breach of contract

[psychocandy]

Shame you can't apply number 3 to your forum posting as well....

Ha ha. Ah yes but you lot don't sign my timesheet or pay my invoices so it doesn't matter if you think I'm a dick

[northernladyuk]

Ha ha. Ah yes but you lot don't sign my timesheet or pay my invoices so it doesn't matter if you think I'm a dick

Just as well.

[MrMarkyMark]

PCs rules for xmas night out with the permies

1. Don't get so pissed like this idiot that you can't make it in to the office next morning.
2. Buy the permies a beer and be nice.
3. Don't act like a complete dick
4. Don't act like bertie big bollox contractor either. (Got to be careful with 2. Don't go nuts buying vintage champagne you'll just look like a bell end. Pint of Guiness will make average permie well happy).

Errrrm, surely all dependent on who you are with surely?

A lot of perms drink good champagne too.
They would probably just think you were being a tightwad offering them just Guinness

[Lance]

Errrrm, surely all dependent on who you are with surely?

A lot of perms drink good champagne too.
They would probably just think you were being a tightwad offering them just Guinness

Ask them what they want.
If they ask for vintage champagne tell them to piss off.
If they call you a tightwad tell them you're from Yorkshire (or Scotland) and don't care.

[perplexed]

My rule for Christmas parties was to never go. Never went as permie or contractor.

As a permie, it's bad enough you have to work with some utter dickheads, let alone have to socialise because it's Christmas.
As a contractor, it's ok you have to work with some utter dickheads as you can always look to the next contract, but socialising with said muppets especially at your own expense? Meh. Only rationale for me would be if I knew there was a good chance fake friendliness/shmoozing coud lead to more future business.

I'd rather socialise with friends, people I want to be around...

But getting back to the point, knowing you're going to be in the clients office the next day, getting hammered where client representatives can see you is about as clever as a post-lobotomy Baldrick.

Should HR get involved? You know the score - most permies haven't a ******** clue about the nature of contracting. They probably see contractor being an arse, taking the piss so think something has to be done - HR probably think the same. Could they terminate the contract? Sure. Will they? It depends. If the service you provide isn't easily resourced, if you've provided an excellent service then you'll probably be talked down to. If you're deemed expendable they could walk you.

Think of it this way; you hire a plumber to fix your toilet. You see him in the pub getting hammered, they come over to you drunk and say they won't be turning up to fix your toilet tomorrow. I'm sure you'd not be happy.

[MrMarkyMark]

Ask them what they want.
If they ask for vintage champagne tell them to piss off.
If they call you a tightwad tell them you're from Yorkshire (or Scotland) and don't care.

Depends on the Permy.

If is in the position of signing off more of my time, he will get exactly what he wants

[Lance]

you hire a plumber to fix your toilet. You see him in the pub getting hammered, they come over to you drunk and say they won't be turning up to fix your toilet tomorrow. I'm sure you'd not be happy.

you've met my plumber

[northernladyuk]

you've met my plumber

He was wondering why you're always in the shower when he turns up.

[washed up contractor]

hi, long time lurker first time poster. i have been contracting at a large bank for 5 months

last night it was the christmas night out. i was not able to make it in this morning. i was already pretty drunk by the time my manager left about 10pm and said there wasn,t much chance of me getting in today. he just laughed so i assumed it would be okay.

anyway next thing i am getting a call from HR

they are saying that i will not be getting paid for today and want a meeting on monday 9am to 'discuss the situation'

it is a 12 month contract so if they try to terminate can i say this is breach of contract?

also can they say they won't pay me for today? as far as i am concerned this was agreed in advance with my line manager?

Oh for crying out loud, do even permies expect to get paid if they get smashed then dont turn in for work the next day? Self inflicted?

Sounds to me there's more to this, either someone told their 'manager' a few things to 'put them right' or there are other work related issues.

In short, no, you've no claim for breach.

If you must go to the works chrissie do (some places actually frown on contractors who dont go), dont get pissed, dont go making an exhibition of yourself trying to get your tongue down the throat of that colleague you fancy or trying to get your hand in your manager's wife's knickers.

[unixman]

Hi OP, you can charge the client only for the days you turn up. If you can't turn up for work, don't put it on your time sheet and don't invoice the client for that day. It doesn't matter what the cause is - sickness, hangover, snow, whatever. In fact, to say on a time sheet you were there on Thursday when in fact you weren't might even be a teensy-weensy bit fraudulent. Don't do it.

It seems odd that the HR police would strike so quickly, simply in response to a 1 day absence. Is there something you haven't told us? I would apologize the the manager for not being there (and don't mention "drink" in the apology, just say you were unwell). If you are otherwise okay they should forgive you.