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  • KentDogWalker
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    Originally posted by m0n1k3r View Post
    Indian so-called recruitment agencies working on behalf of TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc are actually not that interested in recruiting somebody in the UK. They want a CV (as evidence of that they have spoken to you) and the rate (so that they can use that as evidence of that you are too expensive). They have to try finding somebody within the UK for a few weeks before they are allowed (in many cases) to bring somebody in from India on an ICT visa, and they must show evidence of having tried and failed.

    I was today called by somebody representing TCS for a senior agile coach role in the Netherlands - at €350 per day, max, all-inclusive.
    shocking

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  • m0n1k3r
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    Originally posted by TheLastWinja View Post
    I get contacted by Indian recruitment firms for London based FS roles all the time. The conversation always goes something like this:

    Agent: I have a contract with a prestigious client in London for 6 months. Tell me, what would be your day rate for this assignment?
    Me: I'd have to know more about it.
    Agent: As I say, it is a BA role for a prestigious banking client in London. What would be your day rate for this assignment?
    Me: I tell you what, why not send me spec and if it's my sort of thing I'll let you know and also what my rate would be.
    Agent: I will send you a specification when I have it but what is your rate?
    Me: Well I can't tell you until I see the role. I don't even know if my background is suitable since you haven't even given me a single detail.
    [Sometimes this can get to the point where I just hang up on them
    Indian so-called recruitment agencies working on behalf of TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc are actually not that interested in recruiting somebody in the UK. They want a CV (as evidence of that they have spoken to you) and the rate (so that they can use that as evidence of that you are too expensive). They have to try finding somebody within the UK for a few weeks before they are allowed (in many cases) to bring somebody in from India on an ICT visa, and they must show evidence of having tried and failed.

    I was today called by somebody representing TCS for a senior agile coach role in the Netherlands - at €350 per day, max, all-inclusive.

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  • KentDogWalker
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    Originally posted by rocktronAMP View Post
    Yep just about to add another one: synergy-emea.co.uk or rather http:/ /synergyindia.com/synergy-group/]Executive Search, Selection, Recruitment, Placement, Head hunting, India | Synergy not to be confused with the eSynergy Solutions, who try to be open source and friendly and just not quite getting.

    Role – AEM Architect
    Technology – AEM, Location – Sheffield, UK
    Duration – Contract, Start Date: Immediate

    Waste of time
    Pro tip, if on Gmail, press 'd'

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  • rocktronAMP
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    Originally posted by TheLastWinja View Post
    I get contacted by Indian recruitment firms for London based FS roles all the time. The conversation always goes something like this:


    My opinion - sometimes we do what we must, but given the choice I'd steer a wide berth.
    Yep just about to add another one: synergy-emea.co.uk or rather http ://synergyindia. com/synergy-group/]Executive Search, Selection, Recruitment, Placement, Head hunting, India | Synergy not to be confused with the eSynergy Solutions, who try to be open source and friendly and just not quite getting.

    Role – AEM Architect
    Technology – AEM, Location – Sheffield, UK
    Duration – Contract, Start Date: Immediate

    Waste of time

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  • TheLastWinja
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    I get contacted by Indian recruitment firms for London based FS roles all the time. The conversation always goes something like this:

    Agent: I have a contract with a prestigious client in London for 6 months. Tell me, what would be your day rate for this assignment?
    Me: I'd have to know more about it.
    Agent: As I say, it is a BA role for a prestigious banking client in London. What would be your day rate for this assignment?
    Me: I tell you what, why not send me spec and if it's my sort of thing I'll let you know and also what my rate would be.
    Agent: I will send you a specification when I have it but what is your rate?
    Me: Well I can't tell you until I see the role. I don't even know if my background is suitable since you haven't even given me a single detail.
    [Sometimes this can get to the point where I just hang up on them

    Half the time after that, a spec isn't forthcoming and on the off-chance that one is and I'm interested the rate is pitched at 25-30% below what you would expect from a non-Indian agency.

    Of course sometimes I've been between roles so you do what you must, only for the £450/d initially agreed to suddenly get dropped to £400 when the client shows interest. I also strongly suspect that the agent is either a) trying to gauge the market rate and/or b) trying to get you to "apply" but not submit you so their favoured (i.e. cheaper) candidates are the only ones the client gets face time with.

    Contacts at end clients say that contractors through these firms (who are always recruiting for on-site 'consultancies)' say the following:

    1) The contractors are whipped like Tennessee cotton pickers
    2) There is always downward pressure on rates at renewal time. Rate risers are unheard of.
    3) Contractors are used to train their permies so you can be shown the door.
    4) Forget any kind of work flexibility like early finishes a few days a week to pick your kid up from day care or WFH. Trust in the contractor is rock bottom. SDC is very high.

    Conversations I've had with specialist UK recruiters in the same space echo those points.

    My opinion - sometimes we do what we must, but given the choice I'd steer a wide berth.

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  • GB9
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    Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
    Former senior guy at Wipro here. The only way you will be any good in the eyes of the Indian's is if you are a complete and utter **** to your reports & contractors. If you are good in the eyes of your reports and clients, you will not last long. I didn't.
    I found a couple of the senior Wipro guys to be very good and actually bothered about their clients. They were the ones keeping Wipro on site. Actually, I have found Wipro pretty decent in general. Having said that, I did work with one Wipro Prog. Mgr who decided it would be a good idea to stand up during a meeting and shout whilst jabbing his finger towards me. Maybe shouldn't have done it in an atrium in front of a couple of hundred people though. He was gone by the end of the week.

    I also worked with another consultancy who lied through their teeth to their client. Unfortunately a young and slightly naïve Indian lady was caught in the crossfire as a lowly paid contract PM to the consultancy. Basically she refused to lie and needless to say got the boot within a few weeks. A shame but she ended up somewhere better.

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  • clearedforlanding
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    Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View Post
    Ouch!

    Makes sense it didn't last long

    Some of the biggest bullies on the planet, in my experience. Worked on a project with a couple of them before, of course they tried it on, but we managed to resolve things with resorting to any violence

    The other Indian guy they hired, they bullied and harassed the guy on a seemingly hourly basis.
    He did a fair few (free) late nights too.

    When it was suggested I do the same, they decided to leave me alone, as I made it abundantly clear I would issue my weeks notice.

    Total W@nkers.
    It's a disgusting culture that permeates from the very top. I have PMed you.

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  • MrMarkyMark
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    Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
    Former senior guy at Wipro here. The only way you will be any good in the eyes of the Indian's is if you are a complete and utter **** to your reports & contractors. If you are good in the eyes of your reports and clients, you will not last long. I didn't.
    Ouch!

    Makes sense it didn't last long

    Some of the biggest bullies on the planet, in my experience. Worked on a project with a couple of them before, of course they tried it on, but we managed to resolve things with resorting to any violence

    The other Indian guy they hired, they bullied and harassed the guy on a seemingly hourly basis.
    He did a fair few (free) late nights too.

    When it was suggested I do the same, they decided to leave me alone, as I made it abundantly clear I would issue my weeks notice.

    Total W@nkers.

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  • clearedforlanding
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    Originally posted by GB9 View Post
    I've found a couple of senior Wipro people to be good. Other than that, I wouldn't touch them with someone else's bargepole, or indeed any other Indian agency or 'consultancy'.

    Doesn't stop me getting lots of linkedin requests from them. Just decline and mark as spam. Shows how much linkedin cares about abuse of its mail system.
    Former senior guy at Wipro here. The only way you will be any good in the eyes of the Indian's is if you are a complete and utter **** to your reports & contractors. If you are good in the eyes of your reports and clients, you will not last long. I didn't.

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  • MrMarkyMark
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    Originally posted by kaizenkris View Post
    These are top IT consulting companies from India

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_Mahindra
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Consultancy_Services
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipro

    If you are getting calls from them better, I suggest you just take it or else forget contracting.....


    What you really need to be beware of is agencies which do market research with no work on the table..... to be honest I don't mind cause I like everyone improving.

    Your view is quite disturbing..... its best to be clear than to be clever.

    Feck me, a little bit of wee came out.

    I wouldn't work with any of those useless cockwombles, to label then as "top" consulting firms of any kind is beyond a joke

    I would suggest his "view" is a lot less disturbing than yours.
    Have you worked for Tech Mehindra, TATA, or Wi Pro for long

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