Blue Passports are finally here! Huzzah!

[Mordac]

Such as?

Normal lightbulbs, powerful vacuum cleaners and hair-dryers, there was talk about banning petrol lawn-mowers, but I believe that's still pending. I'm sure there's plenty more (kettles and toasters etc) but it's nearly pub o'clock...

[WTFH]

Well that's the thing if you could target and encourage farmers in the UK to be more efficient and perhaps to target different types of farming etc you could make it more profitable.

So you're saying that the UK assigned the funds to the wrong British farmers?

There's 2 pillars to CAP - the BPS and Rural Development. Both are overseen by DEFRA. In countries like Germany, the rural development side takes <5% of the budget. The UK government takes 15%. Yes, over 3x the amount that other countries take.
Then each government decides on their own rules as to how they are going to allocate out the funds. It's called a direct payment, but it all goes through HM Gov.

Don't you understand how the process worked?

[woohoo]

So. About these blue passports....

The blue passports are great. Again, an open Britain had them made in France or Poland, doesn't matter. Just shows how open we are.

[woohoo]

Maybe if UK farmers contributed more to the economy, they'd have got more in subsidies.

Well that's the thing if you could target and encourage farmers in the UK to be more efficient and perhaps to target different types of farming etc you could make it more profitable. As it is we just finance the French farmers and those with the bigger farms win.

I appreciate you validating my argument.

[ladymuck]

So. About these blue passports....

[Platypus]

French farmers receive a bigger subsidy than UK counterparts so they cant compete on a level playing field. The entire policy is mainly for the benefit of French farmers. You must be trolling to ask this question?

No, no, he's very intelligent, very successful and very rich. I think he may have mentioned this

[WTFH]

French farmers receive a bigger subsidy than UK counterparts so they cant compete on a level playing field. The entire policy is mainly for the benefit of French farmers. You must be trolling to ask this question?

Kinda depends how you look at it. It's like £350m versus 2.4% of government spend. One makes great marketing spin, the other puts it into perspective.

UK farmers used to get €28b per year. UK farming contributes about 0.6% to the UK economy.
French farmers receive about €63b per year. They contribute around 1.8% to the French economy.

So, they contribute 3x as much to the economy, but receive just over 2x as much in subsidies.
Maybe if UK farmers contributed more to the economy, they'd have got more in subsidies.

[woohoo]

Name a couple of regs that our farmers could have changed to help them, that currently hinders them but not the French. And don't just quote "CAP", actually explain what the impact is on our farmers compared to the French.

French farmers receive a bigger subsidy than UK counterparts so they cant compete on a level playing field. The entire policy is mainly for the benefit of French farmers. You must be trolling to ask this question?

[Whorty]

That's down to individual companies to comply, and only on those products which they sell to the EU. We can un-ban everything the EU banned, for the UK market, if if we choose to do so. That's the difference.

What do you think we should un-ban; that the EU has banned and we think is better not banned? Don't just talk abstract, let's get into the specifics.

[Whorty]

Yep if your company sells into the EU. If it doesn't then you don't need to do that. It's the same when selling to any other country.

I imagine the UK could also if it wanted to implement policies and regulations that could encourage our farmers and not EU regs/laws aimed at French farmers. Guess that applies to fishing also. It's like you don't have to implement a ton of regulation that aims to cover a whole bunch of countries.

Name a couple of regs that our farmers could have changed to help them, that currently hinders them but not the French. And don't just quote "CAP", actually explain what the impact is on our farmers compared to the French.